April 10, 2009 at 12:37 am #1890
hi my name is deeown (i prefer Dean) i am considering converting to Catholic (I am a non demonation Christian)
my queston is if you dont “worship” or pray to Mary then how do you explain this prayer?
Hail, holy Queen, Mother of mercy, our life, our sweetness and our hope. To thee do we cry, poor banished children of Eve. To thee do we send up our sighs, mourning and weeping in this valley of tears. Turn then, most gracious advocate, thine eyes of mercy towards us. And after this our exile, show unto us the blesses Fruit of thy womb, Jesus. O clement, O loving, O sweet Virgin Mary. Pray for us, O holy Mother of God that we may be made worthy of the promises of Christ.
“our life” “our sweetness and our hope” “mother of mercy” “to thee do we cry” “to thee do we send up our sighs, mournings, and weeping in this valley of tears” “turn then most gracious advocate thine eyes of mercy toward us”
our life- our life is Jesus/God not Mary. she does not give you life. God does
our sweetness and our hope-sure i guess she can be our sweetness…but hope? our hope is that Jesus forgives us our sins and accepts us into heaven…Mary doesnt have that power. why hope to her?
“mother of mercy”-only Jesus Christ can show you mercy. Mary has no power to show mercy to you or forgive you. thats Jesus.
to thee do we cry-why cry to her when Jesus is the one whose gonna be forgiving and giving you life?
to thee do we send up our sighs, mournings, and weeping in the valley of tears-again, why send up your sighs mournings, etc to Mary when we have God? when God is the one who gives forgivness and life?
turn then most gracious advocate thine eyes of mercy toward us-again Jesus is the one with “eyes of mercy” and you should be asking HIM to turn his eyes to us sinners.
someone please give me your reasoning so if i convert i will be true and believe/April 10, 2009 at 4:58 pm #9260
I understand how you feel Dean. I had a hard time understanding this prayer too.
There are many posts about the Virgin Mary on this website that might answer your question."Deeown":x1xx2pwp wrote:someone please give me your reasoning so if i convert i will be true and believe/[/quote:x1xx2pwp]
I’m happy to see that you are doing a little research before you make a huge decision such as joining the Roman Catholic Church.April 10, 2009 at 10:48 pm #9265
First it is important to know that the Catholic Church does not require that any Catholic invoke Mary or the Saints, asking them to pray for us. The Church does however reccomend it as they are great advocates for us.
Any title given to Mary, reflects not only what she did in her life as the greatest human who lived, (Her son Jesus, is True God and True Man, so we can’t call Him the greatest human, as Is is much more than just a good human.) She was found by God to be Filled with Grace, and pure in order to bring the Incarnation of the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity. Any graces received through the intercession of Mary or the Saints, are granted not by their authority alone, but by God, who is glorified in and by His Saints, (Both those already in heaven with Him and us here on earth).
If we look at the prayer, Mary is greeted as the Holy Queen. Her queenship is not based on her own merits, but on the merit of Christ. As Elizabeth her kinswoman said in the Gospel of Luke, “How is it that the mother of my Lord would come to me?” Her queenship is a Holy queenship being the mother of the King of Kings.
In the prayer the attributes of our life, sweetness and hope refer to the next great petition, [i:7dtmwbr0][b:7dtmwbr0]”show unto us the blesses Fruit of thy womb, Jesus.” [/b:7dtmwbr0][/i:7dtmwbr0] By her fiat, or her agreeing to cooperate with God in bringing about the plan of salvation, Mary mirrors the will of her son Jesus. She cooperates 100% with Jesus in the plan of salvation. Just as the moon reflects the glory and light of the sun, and does not produce the light by it’s own power, Mary reflects the compassion of her son Jesus. She advocates for us, at the throne of her Son. She shares in His compassion for us.
So too when we pray, [i:7dtmwbr0][b:7dtmwbr0]”Pray for us, O holy Mother of God that we may be made worthy of the promises of Christ.”[/b:7dtmwbr0][/i:7dtmwbr0] We are not saying, by your power alone Mary, make us worthy. But asking her to pray for us, that we may be converted, and made holy, by the power of God, so we too may one day be in heaven, with All the angels and saints, giving praise to God.
It is biblically sound to use intersessors to plead unto God on our behalf, we see in Scripture the following. In the O.T. we see that Moses, Abraham, and Job interceded on behalf of others… that’s someone else besides Jesus mediating between God and man. We know that it is okay to ask others here on earth to pray and intercede for us…. that’s mediating between God and man. So, I think, once again, we have a situation where a passage of the Bible is being misinterpreted and misunderstood.
There is only one mediator between God and man, the man Jesus Christ, but as members of the Body of Christ, He allows us to share in His mediation. What is important to understand here, is that like with Mary, we do not grant the petition, God grants it. We use each other to interceed, or act as mediators on our behalf.
Also, Scripture tells us that we have only one foundation, Jesus Christ (1 Cor 3:11); but, Scripture tells us that there is more than one foundation (Eph 2:19-20). Scripture tells us that we have only Lord, Jesus Christ (Eph 4:4-5); but, Scripture tells us there is more than one lord (Rev 19:16). Scripture tells us that we have only one Judge, Jesus Christ (James 4:12); but, Scripture tells us there is more than one judge (1 Cor 6:2).
Contradictions in Scripture? No! Not when these passages are all properly understood in context. Jesus is the only foundation; Jesus is the only Lord; and Jesus is the only Judge. But, we are members of Jesus’ Body. Therefore, we are able, according to the graces given by Christ, to share in Jesus’ role as foundation, as lord, and as judge, and in other aspects of Christ, as well. Another example, as a father I share in God’s role as Father, by His grace. And, so also, we, and the saints in Heaven, and the angels in Heaven, can share in Christ’s role as Mediator.
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