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  • #2534
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    Marriage is for procreation.

    This argument against gay marriage is retarded! So
    only those who enter marriage witht the intention of
    producing children should be allowed to marry?
    What if the women is past her prime? My grandma got
    remarried at 62. Should she have been denied the right
    to marry, because obviously she had no intention of
    having children. Hey! What about those people that
    have fertility troubles and have to adopt? Should
    their marriage be nulled on the grounds that they
    can’t procreate? Or should fertility be tested before
    the marriage certificate be handed over? And what
    about those men and women that just don’t want any
    kids? Many women and men become so involved in their
    own careers and lives that children aren’t even a
    consideration. Should marriage also be out of the
    question then???

    #2535
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    And now for what I having leading up to. This website seems a bit more sophisticated than the other one that i was ‘trolling’. They were too archaic in their responses. You guys are more like 1950’s… so I guess that is as much progress that I am going to find.

    Suprising, I am not catholic. (hint: sarcasm) My girlfriend is. She has not gone in some time. She did go to catholic school and what not. However it seems that she does not know much about her own religion. I have taken several ‘world religions’ classes and seminars and so am pretty familiar with a number of belief systems.

    Catholics are by far (please don’t be offended) the snottiest bunch. Very “uppity” and “vain” in their beliefs. Whereas I view tolerance as something to strive for… you guys see it as a defect. This type of “attitude” is one big reason why the Middle East has always been in conflict. They cannot tolerate different beliefs or points of view and try to eliminatet those that deviate from what they believe to be ‘right’.

    I was raised Baptist. Very different from her. She hadn’t gone to church in years before we were together. I believe that spirituality and religion are very important in each individuals’ life and definitely a big factor in happy relationships. We looked around at various churches trying to find a church that we could both be comfortable in. We did find one a few years ago and are happy in it. They do many things that I think are very Catholic-ey and many things that I have seen growing up in Baptist Churches.

    Understandingly she still sees herself as being Catholic. We are having our first child in September and she wants to have it baptized. I am sooo not for that. I believe that being baptized is a personal decision that should be made when you are fully capable of making the decision to take the Lord as your Savior. Also I know that Catholics are not the most accepting bunch of people, so why baptize my child in an institution that is outspoken in their bigotry? (sorry guys)

    I have been to Catholic church before. When I was young my mom was in the hospital for six months and I stayed with a friend of hers. She was Catholic and I went every week for her. Whoa! I admit I was impressed. Not why I should be. I felt like I was part of a broadway play. It all seemed very ‘rehearsed’. The procession of the priests and his boys (pun intended) regally making their entrance. The booklet on what the priest said and what was to be said back (for those that didn’t have it memorized already). When to kneel. When to stand. I thought I had my own script. And the priest was the director. It was beautiful. And cold. Not to mention that the bleeding Jesus on the cross gave me nightmares. How morbid?! I always thought that church was to celebrate the life of Jesus. Yes the cross represents his death too, but LIFE! He came back to LIFE! That is what is to be rejoiced. He came back!

    I am pretty sure you guys don’t get these types of advice questions every day. But I really would like to know if I should honor her family’s tradition and allow it.

    By the way. We are both the mothers. Biologically and physically. Don’t ask.

    Oh and if you post some hateful rhetoric… I can’t stop you. But I will pay you no mind, so don’t waste your breath (or the keysrokes).

    Chloe Olivia

    #2536
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    If you understand what a Catholic believes and why he believes it, you will know why he is “intolerant”.

    Case 1: Baptism. To a Catholic, baptism is freedom from original sin and inclusion in the Body of Christ. Baptism is a requirement for attaining salvation (John 3:5). If you seek to deny her child baptism, it may be seen as you denying his spiritual welfare and trying to damn him.

    Case 2: Homosexual acts. Clearly condemned in the Bible in both the Old Testament and the new, homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered and mortally sinful. To a Catholic, they are both a vile offense before God and a pathway to hell. We are “intolerant” because we realize this.

    Jesus preached compassion, not tolerance. Sinners should be welcomed and loved (compassion) but not left to continue in sin (tolerance). Tolerance is evil’s refuge from truth. Tolerance is a lack of compassion for the sinner.

    #2537

    [b:2ry5fxvz][color=darkblue:2ry5fxvz]Reply to post #1[/color:2ry5fxvz][/b:2ry5fxvz]

    [quote:2ry5fxvz]Marriage is for procreation.

    This argument against gay marriage is retarded! So only those who enter marriage witht the intention of producing children should be allowed to marry?[/quote:2ry5fxvz]

    Ok, sorry, let me back up. To me it sounds like you are implying something that you think I am saying and that being that marriage is [i:2ry5fxvz]only[/i:2ry5fxvz] for procreation. I never said that and I never will because that is not the case.

    For a Catholic, sacramental marriage the couple must meet some conditions: freedom to marry, openness to life and conjugal love (I think – I always have a hard time remembering the third one <img loading=” title=”Wink” /> ).

    A gay couple by nature is not open to life in their marriage because they together do not have the necessary, natural equipment to create life. This is one reason why there is no homosexual marriage.

    [quote:2ry5fxvz]What if the women is past her prime? My grandma got remarried at 62. Should she have been denied the right to marry, because obviously she had no intention of having children. Hey! What about those people that have fertility troubles and have to adopt? Should their marriage be nulled on the grounds that they can’t procreate?[/quote:2ry5fxvz]

    Exceptions can be made for people that are inhibited naturally from reproducing [b:2ry5fxvz]as long as they are [u:2ry5fxvz]open to life[/u:2ry5fxvz][/b:2ry5fxvz]. So if a woman is past her prime or a couple is infertile, then they are not in opposition to life, but rather they are unable to conceive through no fault of their own.

    [quote:2ry5fxvz]And what about those men and women that just don’t want any kids? Many women and men become so involved in their own careers and lives that children aren’t even a consideration.[/quote:2ry5fxvz]

    Then marriage is not for them, plain and simple. Marriage was ordained to bring two people together to bring each other closer to God and to bring new life into the world under a loving family (loving family is the ideal anyway). So, if people want to consume themselves in their career then go for it, but if they have no intention of being open to life then forget about marriage.

    Now, let me clarify something. In the event that a couple is suffering extreme economic hardship or there is some other good reason why they feel they should not have children then it is ok (as long as a natural form of contraception is used like NFP). However, they still need to be open to the fact that pregnancy is a possibilty no matter how careful they are and if the woman does get pregnant they need to be open to that. If they are not open to that then they should not be married and I believe their marriage would not be considered sacramental.


    [b:2ry5fxvz][color=darkblue:2ry5fxvz]Reply to Post #2:[/color:2ry5fxvz][/b:2ry5fxvz]

    [quote:2ry5fxvz]This website seems a bit more sophisticated than the other one that i was ‘trolling’. They were too archaic in their responses.[/quote:2ry5fxvz]

    Thank you, I feel the same way. <img loading=” title=”Very Happy” />

    [quote:2ry5fxvz]Catholics are by far (please don’t be offended) the snottiest bunch. […] Whereas I view tolerance as something to strive for… you guys see it as a defect.[/quote:2ry5fxvz]

    Don’t worry, I’ve heard worse, but as long as we can all be civil and discuss these issues without any accusations or name-calling then I think we will do just fine. <img loading=” title=”Wink” />

    Don’t you think a form of tolerance is a willingness to discuss the issues? (which, btw, I always promote discussion).

    [quote:2ry5fxvz]Also I know that Catholics are not the most accepting bunch of people, so why baptize my child in an institution that is outspoken in their bigotry?[/quote:2ry5fxvz]

    I think that’s due to a poor display of true Christian character by many cafeteria Catholics. I’m not saying I am perfect, but I do not condemn everything that comes my way either. I listen with love and share my thoughts from the heart – honestly. Hopefully you’ll come away with a slightly different opinion about Catholics after dialoguing here (or maybe you won’t <img loading=” title=”Neutral” /> )

    [quote:2ry5fxvz]It was beautiful. And cold. Not to mention that the bleeding Jesus on the cross gave me nightmares. How morbid?! I always thought that church was to celebrate the life of Jesus.[/quote:2ry5fxvz]

    In my experience, you get as much out of the mass as you put into it. That’s all I’m gonna say about that one.

    As far as the cross thing goes, I wrote something about that in another post: http://www.aboutcatholics.com/community … c.php?t=58

    [quote:2ry5fxvz]I am pretty sure you guys don’t get these types of advice questions every day. But I really would like to know if I should honor her family’s tradition and allow it. [/quote:2ry5fxvz]

    My only advice is to talk it out with her. I don’t really know what to say. Have you voiced your opinion about this to her? Personally, and this may seem like a long shot to you, but I think if you baptize the child and try to foster its faith and your girlfriends you might start to see a whole different side to Catholicism.

    [quote:2ry5fxvz]By the way. We are both the mothers. Biologically and physically. Don’t ask. [/quote:2ry5fxvz]

    I figured that much. <img loading=” title=”Wink” />

    [quote:2ry5fxvz]Oh and if you post some hateful rhetoric… I can’t stop you.[/quote:2ry5fxvz]

    That won’t happen here because I won’t allow it from anyone, no matter their position on an argument. I have seen it be the downfall of many other Catholic and non-Catholic messageboards.

    Chloe, I think you have put forth many things and I want to thank you for sharing them. I can tell that by your concern for your girlfriend that you do care for her very much.

    I hope you don’t find any of this to be hateful because I sure don’t mean to make it sound that way. <img loading=” title=”Smile” />

    #2687
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    hello again.

    we have been going ’round and ’round with the whoe baptism topic.

    i do (really) understand the ‘meaning’ behind it all. and i do not think it its a bad thing. just something that one should decide on there own. my church did baptisms as well. but when the individual decided that they wanted to accept Jesus…..etc.

    although i see no real harm in it…. it just seems sort of ‘not right’. i mean would a bi-racial couple baptize their kid into the kkk. what if the mom was all white? but the dad was black? and that was her family’s tradition?

    i am not really trying to associate or compare you guys to the kkk. but just the whole idea of baptizing my kid into an organization that does not accept/tolerate/understand his/her parents…seems silly.

    on a side note. (and i hope i am not ranting. because i tend to sometimes when i am passionate about something.)
    what is up with the whole ‘alternative lifestyle’ term? i know that it means ‘different or unconventional’… but man. i so do not think that term applies to us. we have a wide circle of friends (straight and gay). and out of ALL of them we are by far the most ‘normal’ and definitely the most conservative. do you guys know that there is a whole ‘gothic catholicism’ sub-culture out there. it doesn’t really surprise me. this religion always seemed a bit ‘dark’ to me. but anyways, one (straight) couple that we are friends with are into that. that are a bit on the odd (and a little scary) side.
    we are addicted to reality television shows. we go to church on sundays. we do not smoke. drink occasionally (moderately/socially). usually have BBQ’s on saturdays when it is warm enough. we vote and volunteer in the community. (which is saying a lot when only a small % of our peer group does). i cook every night. except fridays and sundays. we do bicker about whose turn it is to wash dishes or clean the bathroom. we love to play boardgames/cards with the couple (straight ) next door on saturday nights. we are both getting an education. i have my b.s. and am pursuing a law degree. she is majoring in biology and wants to go to dental school.

    we are a boring couple. and yet i feel as thought people percieve us as having some swinging/partying lifestyle.

    as long as you don’t peep into our bedroom… there is no ‘scandalous’ or ‘alternative’ behavior to be seen.

    #2688
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    I have read from your (Benedict’s) previous post that tolerance was not ‘preached’. Well, I found this verse from the Bible. It is Ephesians chapter 4.
    I am sure you guys will come up with some reason (i.e. excuse) as to why it does not apply or is irrelevant. But, I will post it anyways:

    “Therefore I, the prisoner of the Lord, implore you to walk in a manner worthy of the calling with which you have been called,
    with all humility and gentleness, with patience, showing [u:2bl24hj7]tolerance[/u:2bl24hj7] for one another in love, being diligent to preserve the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.”

    chloe olivia <img loading=” title=”Smile” />

    #2690
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    You found one verse in the whole of the Bible that mentions tolerance in passing. Whichever Bible you quoted translates the Greek word “anechomai” as tolerance. The definition of “anechomai” is, according to Strong’s, to hold up, to sustain, to bear, to endure. The KJV translates it “forbearing” while the NAB translates it “bearing”. The verse in Greek speaks much closer to compassion than tolerance. It urges us to support our fellow Christians in our love by living in a manner worthy of our calling. An active homosexual lifestyle is not, to a Christian understanding, a manner worthy of our calling because it is sinful; similarly, standing by while another sins is contrary to a Christian manner of life.

    Regarding baptism, you must realize that to a Catholic baptism is not just a symbol, nor can it be reduced to a ‘meaning’. We believe that baptism really and truly cleanses us from our sins and is necessary for salvation, that the Holy Spirit enters us and gives us grace through the washing of water. You must consider it as essential to life as eating and breathing when dealing with a Catholic. Regardless of whether the Catholic Church accepts/tolerates/understands you, baptism is utterly essential to that child’s eternal life so far as any faithful Catholic is concerned. It is not something that should be put off, especially for a third party’s personal disagreement.

    #2697
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    When they chose to adore creation in lieu of the Creator, God gave them over to their choice–a life without the God’s beneficent influence. This uniquely targets and emphasizes the revolt against the Lord in His role as Creator.

    They received in their bodies their just reward, a self-imposed death penalty, a good description of sexually transmitted diseases/STD’s. Modern female homosexuals, vessels of creation, have formalized rejection of the Creator and worship of creation with Wicca. Male homosexual culture is absorbed with THINGS as exemplified in “Queer Eye for the Straight Guy” and other food and decorator-centric THINGS.

    NAMBLA was aided in its foundation by the criminal, Father Paul Shanley, financed by his bishop in his “ministry” to this sexual counter-culture. The North American Man-Boy Love Association is just a continuation of the push by pederast Alfred “Proc” Kinsey to get sex with children normalized and legalized. Kinsey studied the molestation of kids as young as six months, and interpreted their cries and screams as a pleasure response.

    This formidable perversion has so undermined and invaded the culture that the F.B.I. doesn’t even keep statistics on the rape of children under twelve. This is doubtless a legacy of J. Edgar “Mary” Hoover. The exploitation of children is central to satanic praxis, and surfaces in victims who recount their stories to therapists.

    Chicago’s Cardinal Bernardin was involved in the “Boy’s Club” and the the victim who recanted his accusations was actually bought off by a large cash settlement and publicly and perversely given a sacred chalice by Bernardin! Novelist Father Andrew Greeley claims murders have been perpetrated by this group.

    No homosexual activist group has ever formally decried the goals of NAMBLA. Pederasty is a homosexual tradition. Marriage is not. Particularly disturbing on the NAMBLA website are the supportive lesbian-feminist writers, Camille Paglia and Kate Millet.

    Love isn’t sex, it’s selflessness. Marriage is that uniting of two into one, paralleling the genetic conjoining that creates new life. This two-into-one creates the greatest opportunity for selflessness ever conceived, the raising of a new life.

    Dr. Nicolosi has aided dissatisfied homosexuals in normalizing their desires, and found the formula that spawned their practice was: no emotional bond with their same-gender parent; and an aggravating factor of sexual victimization as a child. Homosexuals are made by indifferent parents and sexual predation. May the Lord turn the hearts of parents to their children, and children to their parents. May the Holy Angels of God, led by St. Michael, mightily protect all God’s children.

    #2716

    Since Benedict has touched on the larger points of what you said, I will do the other ones.

    [quote:30azt5i9]do you guys know that there is a whole ‘gothic catholicism’ sub-culture out there. it doesn’t really surprise me. this religion always seemed a bit ‘dark’ to me. [/quote:30azt5i9]

    How one twists the religion does not make the religion. Just because there is a gothic Catholicism sub-culture does not mean that all of Catholicism is like that or that it should be charaterized by a twisted sub-culture. Catholicism embraces the teachings of Jesus who is light. If there is a darkness about something it is not of God.

    Also, your constant jabs at Catholicism will not be tolerated much longer. I have done nothing to take a stab at honosexuality, but merely explain the Church’s teaching.

    [quote:30azt5i9]i am not really trying to associate or compare you guys to the kkk. but just the whole idea of baptizing my kid into an organization that does not accept/tolerate/understand his/her parents…seems silly. [/quote:30azt5i9]

    And yes, you are comparing us to the KKK, but I suppose anyone that disagrees with you is a hater and a bigot. That’s the gay agenda.

    Catholicism does not teach that homosexual people are intrinsicly evil yet you insist on making comments like they do. I think once you remove the blinds of prejudice from yuor eyes you will see this.

    There are many things which God does not accept/tolerate etc. It makes absolutely no difference to God what you want to believe, but if you want to follow God then there are certain things you must believe. You can do whatever you want in life because God gave us free will, but you cannot do whatever you want and expect it to be just fine with God.

    I think I should be allowed to have multiple wives. Why won’t the Catholic Church accept that? Why won’t the state accept that?

    Chloe, what do you think of polygamy? Here’s an exercise for you. Insert the word “polygamy” in every place you hear “gay marriage” and see how that makes you feel. It is essentially the same argument!

    [quote:30azt5i9]as long as you don’t peep into our bedroom… there is no ‘scandalous’ or ‘alternative’ behavior to be seen.[/quote:30azt5i9]

    So are you admitting what you are doing is wrong? Even if gay marriages were condoned by the Church that does not still allow for pre-marital sex. Is that being un-tolerable too? The Church cannot bless whatever you want to do in your life and call it holy. It’s just that simple.

    Moving on… :rolleyes:

    [quote:30azt5i9]They received in their bodies their just reward, a self-imposed death penalty, a good description of sexually transmitted diseases/STD’s.[/quote:30azt5i9]

    nordskoven, these kinds of comments will not be tolerated either. STD’s are not confined to homosexuals and you know that nor did they just appear out of nowhere because gay people were having sex. Many homosexuals and heterosexuals that engage in sexual relations contract an STD so at least be fair.

    [quote:30azt5i9]Modern female homosexuals, vessels of creation, have formalized rejection of the Creator and worship of creation with Wicca.[/quote:30azt5i9]

    Wicca has been around for hundreds of years. It is not modern female homosexuals that started this religion. It is derived from ancient druidic practices and that style of paganism. Whether it transformed because of women and whatnot is another issue.

    [color=green:30azt5i9][b:30azt5i9]I am going to issue a final warning: If anymore comments are made attacking one side or the other this topic will be locked. Read rule #2: http://www.aboutcatholics.com/community … ic.php?t=7[/b:30azt5i9][/color:30azt5i9]

    #2722
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    [quote:1ie925ln]I think I should be allowed to have multiple wives.[/quote:1ie925ln]

    Does Steph know about this? <img loading=” title=”Wink” />

    #2724

    [quote:vsmayu2a]Does Steph know about this? <img loading=” title=”Wink” />[/quote:vsmayu2a]

    :oops: Yeah, I suppose I shouldn’t have posted this in a public forum before consulting with her. <img loading=” title=”Wink” /> :rolleyes:

    #2732

    [quote:2m4i8cpf]I think I should be allowed to have multiple wives.[/quote:2m4i8cpf]

    I know what the author’s intention was for writing this, so I am not offended. <img loading=” title=”Wink” />

    #2737
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    Two points;

    The first humorous, don’t worrry Jon or Berry cat, my husband and I have long agreed that an extra wife could come in real handy around here


    this family is such high maintenance we would search for somebody who actually enjoys cooking cleaning and bill paying. <img loading=” title=”Very Happy” />

    Second and more important-I hope Jon’s warning is taken seriously because for the very most part I have seen posts on this subject genuinely search for an understanding


    at this point we need to continue praying that our search and our answers put God and His will first , our own wills definitely second. God bless us all.

    #2795
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    Just to chime in,

    He wants [b:3usb8zf2]to be allowed to have[/b:3usb8zf2] more than one wife. That’s not the same as wanting more than one wife. It’s like having a sports car… you’re never gonna take it up to 200 mph… you just like to know that you [i:3usb8zf2]could.[/i:3usb8zf2]

    Of course I’m kidding. <img loading=” title=”Wink” /> Heck, I drive a minivan. (The vehicle of faithful catholic stewardship!)

    #2845
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    Hello Chloe,

    I’m pretty new here and I’d like to make a few comments on this topic. Bear with me if I go over some of the things from the beginning of this conversation.

    First off, I am a mom too! But I’m also a convert. I wasn’t a Catholic when I gave birth to my daughter, Amy. In fact, I wasn’t really anything at all back then and so didn’t have her Baptised at birth. But after I began my search for God, I had her Baptised. I understood the concept of having Original Sin removed from her soul so that she could be filled with grace. I love my daughter and I want what is best for her. As I saw it back then, I had nothing to lose from having her Baptised and she had much to gain from the action. She was seven when she received the Sacrament and was also being given rudimentary religious instruction. As for your comments about the person or persons receiving this salvivic Sacrament needing an understanding of the responsibilities of those who are Baptised and making a commitment to live the life of Christ in response to this Sacrament, if you understood the reasons behind our Sacrament of Confirmation, then you’d see that this commitment is entered into later in the child’s life. No one expects a baby to understand doctrine, but the unseen properties of the Sacrament, namely the Grace and blessings it imparts are taken on faith. To me, at the point I was in spiritually when my daughter was Baptised, this second reason was far more important to me than the doctrinal stuff. I wanted her to be blessed by God. That’s why I had her Baptised. It was a gift from God that by my consent she would receive. I really couldn’t say no.

    The passage from Romans is a real shocker, especially if you are used to a faith that is all about feeling good and being “happy” and “loving.” As anyone of us knows, love doesn’t always feel good nor is it always easy nor does it keep us happy all the time. It involves much sacrifice and care. It means laying aside one’s need and desires for the good of the other, whether that other is a friend, a family member or a stranger. The kind of love that God calls us to live is extraordinary. Those who’ve turned away from God to their own way of living fall further from grace. Their thinking becomes distorted and they lack the ability to think beyond the box that their lifestyle choices place them in. That’s why blind men don’t go to moives!

    If you take Paul’s comments and imagine him saying all this to crowd of people, there are going to be those in the crowd who are insulted by his speech, those who will turn away, and those who will accept this and pray for the grace to turn away from the things listed. The point that I believe Paul is making is more important: SIN HAS CONSEQENCES. Look to the Original Sin of Adam and Eve for the ultimate demonstration of this. When I choose to sin, I change how I relate to the world and other people and most of all, how I relate to God Himself, not only at that particular moment I choose to sin, but also later on. My life is different because I chose to sin, whether or not I was aware of the nature and gravity of my sin.

    While all folks sin, not all are bound by them. Some of us understand our need of God’s forgiveness and have found our Way to the font of Mercy, namely the Sacraments and their life-giving and life-sustaining graces. We live a Way of life that provides for our fallen human nature. We live by faith not by sight! We take God at His Word and follow Him. In fact, we follow Him right to the Cross itself. As I’m sure you’ve been told, this all seems like so much foolishness to those of the world, but we live in the Kingdom that is not of this world. We live in the world but apart from it. We live out our Baptismal commitment to Christ each and every day, bearing all things for the sake of Love.

    What this says to me about homosexual behavoirs is that by choosing them, there is a constriction of outlook and viewpoint. Not only is the final act of homosexual orientation sinful, but so is the mind-set that leads up to it. As Jesus told us, the sin is in the heart and mind before it is acted upon – ” But I say to you, everyone who looks at a woman with lust has already commited adultery with her is his heart.” Each action has consequences that distort the picture that the homosexual person has of things, including their concept of God. This is a type of causation that is inevitable. Point being: you get more than you bargain for.

    I don’t beleive that anyone is born homosexual. I don’t believe much about the modern view of sexuality and freedoms. I take God at His Word. I know how I’ve suffered from my own sins. I also know how I’ve effected others with my sinful choices. I had a great deal of repentance to go through to get to my own Baptism. I had to make quite a few changes in my life. The toughest thing to change was my way of thinking and seeing things. I still struggle with thoughts that aren’t right according to God’s will and plan for me. I’ve been eight years a Catholic and still struggle with the consequences of my past sinfulness and I will be the first one to admit my thinking was way off the beam back then. I had to become a new person by the renewal of my mind. What this has taught me is to have compassion for those who just aren’t where I’m at spiritually. I understand the fact that you and I don’t think the same.

    Chloe, I’m here to say that this can all change. I’m here to ask you to trust someone else’s concept of God and His Way of Life for us. He said He is the Way, the Truth and the Life and I wouldn’t do Him, or you or me any good at all in watering down His message to suit the linguistics of this conversation. If I claim to love you as Jesus would love you and as Paul loved the Romans, then I will tell you the Truth and let you decide to accept it or reject it. Please don’t try to tell me that I’m being intolerant if I state that the sinful way of life that is a “gay” lifestyle is unacceptable in God’s eyes. It isn’t – we have too much evidence to the contrary. Yet, God is Mercy Incarnate and He is all too ready to embrace the sinner and heal them. Telling someone the Truth is sometimes one of the hardest parts of loving them.

    You may say “I’m gay and can’t change that!”, but God can if you are willing to let Him. He won’t force Himself on you. He has too much respect for your human dignity and your free will. Your free will is God’s gift to you. It’s how you use it that is your gift back to Him!

    Chloe, I would love for you to see God and His Church the way I do, but you aren’t capable of doing so at this point in your journey of faith. Sure you can go and find a church that suits your needs and “embrace” you and your lifestyle choices, but one thing for sure is they don’t really love you because they are failing to tell you all the Truth.

    Well, enough out of me. I’d like to address some of the other issues mentioned in this thread but that is perhaps for another day. I have chores to do. Praise the Lord, I know I’m not homeless because I have a home to clean! LOL.

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