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June 12, 2006 at 9:58 pm #1287AnonymousInactive
The following is a response to an Eastern Orthodox member who is part of this forum and also another. Just wanted to get everybody’s thoughts on it.
It is the catholic view that God does not create any mechanism that causes pain in the afterlife. Rather (like the East), the pain/discomfort is an experience as a result of a choice. It is not necessary to say that God imposes hell as punishment. It is not clear that God makes it intentionally unpleasant. It may be the very nature of the people who are there, and the fact that they are finally given what they want: freedom from God.
To the RC, heaven and hell may be the very same objective place (if one wishes to call it a place as an anthrophormism), that being God’s love, experienced oppositely by opposite states/souls.
CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
1033: We cannot be united with God unless we freely choose to love him. But we cannot love God if we sin gravely against him, against our neighbor or against ourselves: “He who does not love remains in death. Anyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.”612 Our Lord warns us that we shall be separated from him if we fail to meet the serious needs of the poor and the little ones who are his brethren.613 To die in mortal sin without repenting and accepting God’s merciful love means remaining separated from him for ever by our own free choice. This state of definitive self-exclusion from communion with God and the blessed is called “hell.”June 13, 2006 at 3:43 pm #6508AnonymousInactive
[color=darkblue:gamy4veo]Nobody wants to touch this topic with a ten foot pole.
I’ve bumped into alot of catholics that aren’t used to viewing Hell in such a light that I figured I’d share. Anybody?[/color:gamy4veo]June 13, 2006 at 3:46 pm #6509About Catholics TeamKeymaster
Well, what’s the question? Everything seems to be in order.June 13, 2006 at 5:52 pm #6511AnonymousInactive
[quote:1p1vg9rs]Well, what’s the question? Everything seems to be in order.[/quote:1p1vg9rs]
[color=darkblue:1p1vg9rs]Your far to easy Jon. Cause some trouble or something……LOL…
I suppose I was just looking for you guys to pick on my wording or anything that you would phrase differently.[/color:1p1vg9rs]June 14, 2006 at 11:40 pm #6521AnonymousInactive
I’m all bickered out. That’s good, but now I’m bored. but Ardent Listeners posts have been usefulJune 15, 2006 at 12:39 pm #6534AnonymousInactive
Peace be with you Victor!
[quote:qduftkvd][quote:qduftkvd]Well, what’s the question? Everything seems to be in order.[/quote:qduftkvd]
[color=darkblue:qduftkvd]Your far to easy Jon. Cause some trouble or something……LOL…
I suppose I was just looking for you guys to pick on my wording or anything that you would phrase differently.[/color:qduftkvd][/quote:qduftkvd]
The only this I can say is that I am in full agreement with the Catechism. It is a choice one makes and I have always believed that. Further, I have never thought of Hell as a place but as eternity with out the Light and Love of God. To me, that is far worse then Dante’s Inferno. lol God Bless!June 18, 2006 at 9:38 pm #6565AnonymousInactive
I’ll start some trouble then.
Is there any reason to not interpret this as meaning anyone who doesn’t accept God is currently living in their own hell on this Earth? Whether they know it(or admit it) or not? At the very least, a person who openly rejects God.June 18, 2006 at 10:33 pm #6567AnonymousInactive
[quote:2rajucwf]I’ll start some trouble then.
Is there any reason to not interpret this as meaning anyone who doesn’t accept God is currently living in their own hell on this Earth? Whether they know it(or admit it) or not? At the very least, a person who openly rejects God.[/quote:2rajucwf]
Well, there are many athiests who are comfortable with the way they live and I wouldn’t say they are living in their own hell while on this earth. We all know where they will be going [b:2rajucwf]later[/b:2rajucwf] though. All I know is that our life is a trial and we just have try living it the best we can and put our trust in God. Me personally, I don’t focus on hell; I just try and live the best I can by following the example of Christ every day. I fail every day, but I always get back up and try again. I’ll never give up on Christ because I know He will never give up on me.June 18, 2006 at 10:48 pm #6568AnonymousInactive
Well, there are many athiests who are comfortable with the way they live[/quote:19dnah1y]
I’m not so sure of that. They seem constantly hell-bent(har har) on convincing everyone they are being tortured by God-based religions thrown in their face everyday. I mean, can a person who turns all sweaty and nervous over seeing In God We Trust on his money really be comfortable with himself?
I would argue, that would be Hell.
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