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  • #1877

    LARobert
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    This article reviews a State legislature effort to bankrupt the Church, and reduce the influence of people of faith in the public sector.

    Yes the Church has money, yes the Church has property, but then again the Church uses that money and property for charitable endevors, as well as it’s obligation to teach both religion and morals to not only members of the Church, but to lead all to live moral lives. While we are all sinners, (in and outside of the Church) the old saying, “The Church is a hospital for sinners, not simply a hotel for saints” applies here too. This is one of the few articles, (another was in the Christian Science Monitor) which points out that while sexual abuse exists among members of the Church, it also exists and to a greater extent in other groups.

    [url:7ssksbtu]http://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/democrats_catholic_church/2009/02/28/186763.html[/url:7ssksbtu]

    #9195

    Andres Ortiz
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    Isn’t this somehow unconstitutional? I feel like it infringes upon individual’s rights to their free exercise of religion. Maybe, it doesn’t – maybe this it the loophole.

    Anyway, these people are fools. The church does so much charitable work that it would be a shame to lose it all because of some idiot politicians.

    #9197

    Bernardine
    Member
    "Jon":bu6yun3s wrote:
    Anyway, these people are [b:bu6yun3s]fools[/b:bu6yun3s]. The church does so much charitable work that it would be a shame to lose it all because of some [b:bu6yun3s]idiot politicians[/b:bu6yun3s].[/quote:bu6yun3s]
    I thought the forum rules included no name-calling?
    #9200

    Andres Ortiz
    Keymaster
    "Bernardine":1wrepa18 wrote:
    "Jon":1wrepa18 wrote:
    Anyway, these people are [b:1wrepa18]fools[/b:1wrepa18]. The church does so much charitable work that it would be a shame to lose it all because of some [b:1wrepa18]idiot politicians[/b:1wrepa18].[/quote:1wrepa18]
    I thought the forum rules included no name-calling?[/quote:1wrepa18]
    You got me there. <img src=” title=”Wink” /> Those rules are designed for forum members to prevent fighting online (i.e. we can’t all each other names).

    Calling someone a fool because they’re acting like a fool isn’t the same as name-calling, it’s naming a demonstrated behavior.

    #9204

    Bernardine
    Member

    lol, I was just giving you crap.

    #9206

    Andres Ortiz
    Keymaster
    "Bernardine":1vlglxoi wrote:
    lol, I was just giving you crap.[/quote:1vlglxoi]
    I figured. :cool:
    #9896

    Papa.Cod
    Member

    I tried the link and it said they couldnt find it. what was it about?

    #9905

    LARobert
    Participant

    The original post was a news report about how there is child sexual abuse in other groups, that mainline protestant groups and secular groups like police and teachers have a higher incidence of child abuse but since they are run by either individual congregations or police forces/school districts, they tend to ignore the problem and send the molester off with a good reference so they don’t get branded as a denomination/district or force that has the problem.

    Regardless of who does the molesting, Protestant, Catholic, Orthodox or Jew, be they lay or clergy, it is always wrong. Hiding it to save face is also wrong.

    Below are articles that are still accessable as of today.

    [url:mtug9nb2]http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/16/us/16protestant.html?_r=1[/url:mtug9nb2]

    [url:mtug9nb2]http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=3034040&page=1[/url:mtug9nb2]

    [url:mtug9nb2]http://www.peacemakers.net/clergysexualabuse/protestantsfacesexabuse.htm[/url:mtug9nb2]

    [url:mtug9nb2]http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0405/p01s01-ussc.html[/url:mtug9nb2]

    #9908

    Papa.Cod
    Member

    THanks for the news articals. One thinG I couldnt find is which denomination of protestantism was being accused the most.

    #9915

    LARobert
    Participant

    One of the problems historically in the talley of how many molestations have occured in groups of non-Catholics, is there is no real centralized government, each church hires and fires it’s own minister, they are usually not appointed by a bishop or other authority. They also don’t report abusers to a central authority. So finding the exact number is hard. Here is a link to Dave Armstrong. Former Protestant Minister, and Anti-Catholic now a Catholic apologist.

    [url:32556um8]http://socrates58.blogspot.com/2005/10/scandalous-sexual-misconduct-committed.html[/url:32556um8]

    Poke around his site too.

    #9917

    Papa.Cod
    Member

    Huh….its interesting that the more well known protestant groups like lutherans and presbyterians are substantially lower than that of lesser known protestant churches. could it be because theyre more organized?

    #9919

    LARobert
    Participant
    "Papa.Cod":tyhiuwye wrote:
    Huh….its interesting that the more well known protestant groups like lutherans and presbyterians are substantially lower than that of lesser known protestant churches. could it be because theyre more organized?[/quote:tyhiuwye]
    Or under reported?

    [url:tyhiuwye]http://stopbaptistpredators.org/article07/child_sex_abuse_by_protestant_clergy.html[/url:tyhiuwye]

    The Presbyterian Church stated that 10-23% of clergy have “inappropriate sexual behavior or contact” with clergy and employees.
    The United Methodist research (1990) showed 38.6% of Ministers had sexual contact with church members and that 77% of church workers experienced some type of sexual harassment.
    The United Church of Christ found that 48% of the women in the work place have been sexually harassed by male clergy.
    The Southern Baptists claim 14.1% of their clergy have sexually abused members.
    [url:tyhiuwye]http://www.reformation.com/[/url:tyhiuwye]

    The point is less a talley, because the real number both among religious denominations, and in secular life may never be known. More importantly all of us are sinners, and this is one major sin that has been going on for centuries. It is more important to me that now that it is in the open, it can be addressed, it would seem that all throughout the world where this has happened it is kept secret, only whispered about, and not addressed. Hopefully the publicity surrounding it will help to reduce the incidents, and weed out men and women who suffer from the sickness from contact with those they would harm.

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