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[quote:njipn9im]Ron,
You are either being deliberately dense or you are in actuality dense.
Regardless of which, until you get your act together any further discussion with you is a waste of time.[/quote:njipn9im]
I second that.
Ron,I havent got time to read all of your sermons,in 10 words or less what is the secret to get to heaven?and make it brief I getting older ever post.
Weathers, you want to know the secret to going to Heaven? I told you in the earlier post on this site:
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Trusting in the shed blood of Christ for Salvation ALONE gets somebody into Heaven – NONE of the choices you gave does that unless they can could do them perfectly and I only know of one individual that ever did things perfectly (It wasn’t Mary)Like that favorite song of mine goes —
“What can wash my sins away? Nothing but the blood of Jesus” [/quote:1obnw4yq]
The problem with catholisim is not that they don’t know this but rather then to trust in His finished work, they trust in sacraments, purgatory, the mass, indulgences, good works and other things to get a clean heart. – sort of like those in Romans 9:31+32 and Romans 10:2-4
not to mention they don’t recognize the authority of Scriptures alone.
[quote:2wxj595t]not to mention they don’t recognize the authority of Scriptures alone.[/quote:2wxj595t]
That’s because it’s NOT Scripture alone. What did the first Christians do for 400 years without a designated body of Scriptures, Ron? To whom or what did they go?Someone had to have written the Scriptures a part of their lived experience and only much time after that did those letters and books become authoritative. The Bible wasn’t dropped from the sky. God didn’t say “here, follow this book and try to make sense of it.”
All of the things in the Bible happened in order for them to be written. The lived experience came before the Scriptures.
In the Old Testament the authority was the prophets, Levites and King David (and their successors).
In the New Testament the authority is the apostles and their successors. This is what is lived out in the Catholic Church today just as it was 2000 years ago.
To deny that is to deny the Scriptures, Ron, plain and simple.
I’m done.
Jon says:
[quote:g9wl9wmx]That’s because it’s NOT Scripture alone. What did the first Christians do for 400 years without a designated body of Scriptures, Ron? To whom or what did they go?[/quote:g9wl9wmx]This often is where I am reminded of the Biblical verse which reads in
[i:g9wl9wmx]1 Tim 3:15 – But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in [b:g9wl9wmx]the house of God, which is the church [/b:g9wl9wmx]of the living God, [b:g9wl9wmx]the pillar and ground of the truth.[/b:g9wl9wmx] [/i:g9wl9wmx]That Church mentioned in the Bible would read and look for more of the letters from the writters of Scriptures, knowing that these were valuable and they probably thought that they were inspired as well. Everyone was written before 100 AD. So they were in essence learning Scriptures even in that first century, wether by voice or written down, Jesus got his same message to all.
Ron, the early Church did, in fact, read the letters and Gospels of the New Testament.
But where did they go for answers and teaching? The Apostles and their successors, the bishops. This is attested to from the earliest documents to the present day. In fact, the Bible itself attests to this.
Benedict says :
[quote:11366kef]Ron, the early Church did, in fact, read the letters and Gospels of the New Testament.
But where did they go for answers and teaching? The Apostles and their successors, the bishops. This is attested to from the earliest documents to the present day. In fact, the Bible itself attests to this.[/quote:11366kef]_________________
Sorry pal but I don’t buy that Apostolic succession garbage when it often times was nothing more then one pope becoming a pope because their daddy had an one night stand or the times where three different popes clsimed to be the pope.
Your reply is insubstantial.
In the Bible and in the early Church, Apostolic succession through the bishops was the method of transmitting and safeguarding true teaching. Even if you doubt that the Catholic Church has maintained an unbroken Apostolic succession to the present day (which can be easily shown as every Catholic bishop can trace his succession back to an Apostlic see), you still reject this Biblical truth.
What do you know about truth?
your many deceptions are not consistant with your desires to proclaim the “truth”
And this is said in a respectful manner pharisee, er that is, Benedict
[b:1c5wcryy][color=red:1c5wcryy]Quit the name calling, Ron. Personal attacks are not welcome here.[/color:1c5wcryy][/b:1c5wcryy]
There is always something good out of every sitiuation if RON wasent aboard we would not have anyone to debate with.I still don’t understand his reasoning he told me he was a devout Catholic for 40+ years and followed all of Christ teaching and then BAM! BAM! like Emeril would say and left the Church and went strictly into bible study(what bible I don’t know),It’s amazing how peoples minds work.
[color=blue:pig3kylz]I’ve been really paying attention to the debates with Ron on this website, staying out of the crossfire. I’ve kept an open mind about things because I am still learning religion and people’s beliefs. Ron makes interesting points, and so does Jon and Benedict. But the more I look into the information coming from these debates, the more foundation for the Catholic Church I find. [/color:pig3kylz]
Bernardine you said:
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I’ve been really paying attention to the debates with Ron on this website, staying out of the crossfire. I’ve kept an open mind about things because I am still learning religion and people’s beliefs. Ron makes interesting points, and so does Jon and Benedict. But the more I look into the information coming from these debates, the more foundation for the Catholic Church I find. [/quote:p9m4c2qr]Check out my website for a better understanding – I make things clear there – better then it appears I do here.
http://www.freewebs.com/gospellightmin/I’ll give you some more thought questions:
1- Hebrews 4:16 Jesus said we can boldly come before the throne of grace
plus Scriptures say that we shouldn’t pray to the dead – so why do Catholics go to anyone else with prayer?
2 – The Bible says everyone has fallen short there are none righteous, no not one – Romans 3:10-23 – so why do Catholics think Mary never sinned
3 – That host is not the body of Christ – I can show you that if you want to know but the rest I’ll wait for you to contact me
4 – many more reasons that I left as welllet me know if you want my email address – that’s all I can do for now.
:” title=”Question” /> Ron,you seem to be so accumulate to the bible how did you get so much knowledge about it? And if you don’t mind me asking which bible are you getting this info from?
Hello Mr. Weathers, you asked how I know it and what Kind do I use?
I like the New King James and I simply read it to learn it- like Isaiah 28:10 tells us [color=red:3oj4oxk4][i:3oj4oxk4]”For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little”[/i:3oj4oxk4][/color:3oj4oxk4]
So mine says this,what does it prove?
For he says, ‘Command on command, command on command, rule on rule, rule on rule, here a little, there a little!'”
It just proves thaat you need the heart to learn it and the time must be consistant – one cannot learn it over night – but before that you need to trust what Jesus did at Calvary or you may never learn it –
[color=red:1qiej82f][i:1qiej82f]1 Corinthians 1:23-27 -But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness; But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God. Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men. For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called: But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; [/i:1qiej82f][/color:1qiej82f]
The term “soteriology” comes from two Greek terms, namely, so?ter meaning “savior” or “deliverer” and logos meaning “word,” “matter,” or “thing.” In Christian systematic theology it is used to refer to the study of the biblical doctrine of salvation. It often includes such topics as the nature and extent of the atonement as well as the entire process of salvation, conceived as an eternal, divine plan designed to rescue lost and erring sinners and bring them back into eternal fellowship with God. Many regard it as the primary theme in Scripture with the glory of God as its goal.
:” title=”Question” /> Ron,you seem to be so accumulate to the bible how did you get so much knowledge about it? And if you don’t mind me asking which bible are you getting this info from?- You must be logged in to reply to this topic.