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  • #640

    I have made no secret about who I support in 2004.
    I believe President Bush has been a very compassionate advocate for the weak and the oppressed, often at conflict with his own party.

    However, an unintended, yet powerful possibility exists as a consequence of his possibly being reelected.

    If George W Bush is reelected and we caontinue to progress in a number of ways, I believe we may be setting the groundwork for a praticing, pro-life Catholic as one of the premier frontrunners for 2008.

    His name? Bush.

    Jeb Bush.

    #2388

    Andres Ortiz
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    Wow, I didn’t know Jeb Bush was Catholic. <img src=” title=”Cool” /> What happened to the rest of his family? Is Jeb a convert?

    Anyway, there is the other side of the coin. There could be a democrat that rises up by 2008 that the American public embraces and if Jeb Bush does decide to run, he could be defeated.

    Her name? Clinton.

    Hillary Clinton.

    Now, this is all just speculation of course and I am not advocating for her, but I think that if she ran she has a great chance at winning because of her power, and that she is a woman. I’m sure she could get a lot of people to the polls that don’t normally vote or vote for the Green party candidate to vote for her based on her gender. I really think she could pull it off one day.

    But, I’m all for a [u:1r79c1ku][b:1r79c1ku]Catholic[/b:1r79c1ku][/u:1r79c1ku] candidate regardless of party that embraces [b:1r79c1ku][u:1r79c1ku]Catholic[/u:1r79c1ku][/b:1r79c1ku] values.

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    Benedict
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    Just make sure you vote for a Catholic candidate with Catholic values. Kerry is self-professed Catholic but in favor of abortion.

    #2406

    Andres Ortiz
    Keymaster

    Which I think is too bad because otherwise Kerry is a solid candidate. Well, there is the gay civil unions thing that he supports, but that’s another topic for discussion (the pros and cons of it).

    #2417

    Andres Ortiz
    Keymaster

    I have been wondering, if a pro-abortion candidate is elected, can/will he be able to recind/change the restrictions that Bush has put onto partial birth abortions?

    I would rather not have to think about it though.

    #2421

    Andres Ortiz
    Keymaster

    [quote:k78znltx]I have been wondering, if a pro-abortion candidate is elected, can/will he be able to recind/change the restrictions that Bush has put onto partial birth abortions?

    I would rather not have to think about it though.[/quote:k78znltx]

    Yes, I am sure they can do that. That is what I have found bothersome about American politics is that one president can undo a whole slew of things another has done.

    Of course, I think, any change would have to start off as a bill in Congress and would have to be passed by both the House and the Senate before it even reaches the president to sign it into law. So if the president wants to make changes to current laws it must go through a lot of other people first.

    I think John Kerry said that if he were elected he would appoint all pro-choice judges. Of course those have to go through Congress too (and with a Republican controlled Congress you can bet that they will never be approved).

    #2430

    Benedict
    Member

    Despite strongly opposing the Democratic candidates on many issues,

    http://www.presidentmatch.com

    consistently placed me as matching Kerry and Kucinich most closely. I almost feel that the test is biased (how can I be 100% Kerry & Kucinich and 97% Bush?).

    #2433

    Andres Ortiz
    Keymaster

    Well, perhaps those candidates have some views that are not traditional to the Demcrat party as you suspect.

    Anyway, I took it and I got 100% for Kucinich, 99% for Sharpton (and I honestly don’t like how he presents himself or what he has to say) 83% Kerry, and 33% Bush.

    Take that as you will. <img src=” title=”Razz” />

    #2437

    Andres Ortiz
    Keymaster

    I took it too, and I don’t think it is an accurate test at least for me because it seems to place benefits and educational issues on the same level of importance as abortions and the death penalty.

    When I took it I indicated that I had strong opinions on abortions as well as the death penalty, but the results better matched my preferences on education and health benefits.

    While health benefits and education acts, are important, I wish the test/inventory would let us indicate what specific issues are more important rather than just classifying everything as “social issues.”

    However, I did find the “Compare the Candidates” section somewhat more helpful. <img src=” title=”Smile” />

    #2446

    Andres Ortiz
    Keymaster

    [quote:287y7srw]I took it too, and I don’t think it is an accurate test at least for me because it seems to place benefits and educational issues on the same level of importance as abortions and the death penalty.

    When I took it I indicated that I had strong opinions on abortions as well as the death penalty, but the results better matched my preferences on education and health benefits.[/quote:287y7srw]

    Strong opinions against or in favor? <img src=” title=”Confused” /> And what candidate did it say you best matched up with?

    #2450

    Yes…Jeb Bush is a convert to the Catholic faith..as is Bob Novak.
    I took the test and received a 100% agreement rating with GWB…as if that surprises anyone *g*

    #2452

    Andres Ortiz
    Keymaster

    [quote:2vnomzxc] Strong opinions against or in favor? And what candidate did it say you best matched up with? [/quote:2vnomzxc]

    I had Kucinich and three others who favor abortion on the top of my matching list for the inventory, but my point was that the the top four people on my list were totally opposite my opinions on abortion and/or the death penalty and also they stood on the other side of the spectrum for a few other issues that I had indicated I stood on the other side.

    I know that no candidate fits my opinion exactly but the way it turned out almost opposite–It was pretty weird. <img src=” title=”Confused” />

    #2455

    Andres Ortiz
    Keymaster

    That’s funny. It sounds like we had about the same results. <img src=” title=”Wink” />

    Yeah, I think that little section at the end where it asks how important you rank things plays a part in how it ranks the candidates for you. If you rank social issues high I am sure that democrats will come out on top in your listing.

    #2459

    Andres Ortiz
    Keymaster

    Ok, I didn’t really think of the different value each political party places on social issues. I guess my results make a little more sense now.

    #2496

    Andres Ortiz
    Keymaster

    [quote:pzci8u4i]Ok, I didn’t really think of the different value each political party places on social issues. I guess my results make a little more sense now.[/quote:pzci8u4i]

    Well, haven’t you ever noticed how the democrats actually care about education whereas the republicans are concerned with big business and making the rich richer? <img src=” title=”Wink” />

    #2520

    Andres Ortiz
    Keymaster

    Yeah, I have noticed that before, but it was not on my mind at the time when I was thinking about the inventory. <img src=” title=”Smile” />

    #2526

    Anonymous

    I take some exception to the comment that Republicans are all about big business and making the rich richer. My complaining here stems from some personal experience of stereotypes given to the two parties (Republican and Democrat)

    In ancient times(late 70’s and early 80’s) as I was finishing up my degree, studying and working with graduate students, I would hear this type of comment: all the Republicans are about is big business, the Democrats care about education.

    What I thought was interesting was that everyone in that particular group was getting a graduate degree courtesy of grants furnished by none other than big business. Furthermore everysingle job both for summer and thoughout the school year was also owed to business grants. You would think this might be the case in science and technology where business has a vested interest


    but this was in the field of Anthropology.

    My point is that you hear that the Democrats are interested in education, and alot of somewhat useless laws and non-effective programs are started. All good intentions, but when it comes right down to it, it’s the private sector and business that actually provides the dough to run things.

    <img src=” title=”Razz” /> okay I know I am just mouthing off here about my political feelings but I think that big business gets a bum rap, when it actually provides alot of good things that we just don’t hear about. Go ahead and call me on this, because I too need to make informed decisions come election time.

    #2532

    Andres Ortiz
    Keymaster

    How dare my future mother-in-law disagree with me <img src=” title=”Wink” />

    Anyway, you may have evidence that supports big business, but what I was referring to are many of the large companies that pay their execultives way too much and squander the little guy. Most employees in the United States are overworked, underpaid (unless you are upper management) and burnt out.

    Vacation time is hard to come by as is maternity or even paternity leave, sick days, generous benfits, etc…. I think businesses have a larger obligation to their employees and to the community as a whole to take care of their workers and keep them healthy rather than focus so much on profits.

    This is just my observation.

    #2539

    Andres Ortiz
    Keymaster

    Actually some people even in upper management are overworked and doing the jobs of four other people too.

    #2542

    Andres Ortiz
    Keymaster

    [quote:3bivq4gb]Actually some people even in upper management are overworked and doing the jobs of four other people too.[/quote:3bivq4gb]

    I’m talking about CEO level people. <img src=” title=”Wink” />

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