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"Papa.Cod":2ui6gbm7 wrote:
I find it funny how you catholics contradict yourselves by saying “we’re all about the bible” and “we gotta look at things historically” yet you have nothing to show but good works and ignorance in things like the inquisition in Spain or the selling of salvation through a stupid peice of paper[/quote:2ui6gbm7]
OK, now let’s address what you bring up about the Spanish Inquistion.

When the Inquisition was initally established, in Europe it was sanctioned by the Pope, it had standards so rigid as to fairness in the trial, and the right to have a defense, (Something that was not allowed by Civil courts, and later by Protestant Inquisitions which I will speak of later) that there were thousands who petitioned to have their cases be transferred from the Civil Courts to the Inquisition.

In Spain there were abuses, the rules that the Pope had approved were not followed, to the extent that even Two Popes suspended and Censured the Spanish Inquisition, which had simply become a tool of the State. While Foxe and his fables in the “Book of Martyrs” counts thousands tortured and killed by the Spanish Inquisition, according to modern Historians who have gone through the records of the Inquistion, (Which are quite detailed and give the defense position as well as the prosecution) only about 250 people in all of the Spanish world, (Spain, South and Central America, and the Phillipines) were burned at the pyre, about 2/3 of those were only burned in effogy, so the real number would be under a hundred.

Now compare this to the Protestant Inquisition. Calvin in Geneva, hanging hundreds in the public square for refusing to accept his new religion; or the Star Court in England, where the accused was not allowed the right to council, nor to face his accusor, where if a Catholic priest was caught offering Mass, he was given 24 hours to renounce the Faith, and if he did not, was hanged, and while still alive, drawn and quartered. The person who harbored him was imprisoned, fined and his property was confiscated and given to the Crown. That sounds fair to me, Much more fair than the Inquisition in Catholic Countries that was silly enough to allow someone to defend themselves, and where in more than 50% of the cases the people were aquitted, and let free, another 49% were given penalties and allowed to return home, pay a fine and have restrictions placed on them for a period of one to five years. Or when it became abusive was Condemned by the Pope. Yup those nasty Catholics just could not match the cruelty of the Protestants.

Nope we are not ignorant of the Spanish Inquisition, but rather admit it in it’s historical perspective. Rather than the imagination of those who have mistepresented it, and covered up their own countrymen’s abuses. If we should condemn the Catholic Church for the excesses of the Inquisition that were condemned by the Pope, than we should also condemn the Protestants who held their own Inquisitions and were not condemned by their own leaders or people.