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"Papa.Cod":toua64s4 wrote:
I find it funny how you catholics contradict yourselves by saying “we’re all about the bible” and “we gotta look at things historically” yet you have nothing to show but good works and ignorance in things like the inquisition in Spain or the selling of salvation through a stupid peice of paper[/quote:toua64s4]
Having investigated the Catholic Church and Protestant Churches before my conversion to Chrisitanity, I can honestly say that your statement above are based on anti-catholic sources that ignore what the Catholic Church teaches. Your postings completely ignore what is posted, and what the Catholic Church teaches, and has taught since the time of the Apostles. A full 1,500 years before Protestant theology was developed. Show proof from authentic Catholic sources that what you claim is true. A read of the Catechim of the Catholic Church on God, and on the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity, his Savlific actions, would show you that the bias you have been taught is akin to the misrepresentation given to Saul about the Church when he travelled to Damascas in order to arrest and persecute the Church.

Start here. (Do actually read what the Catholic Church teaches, not what some self styled Anti-Catholic tells you the Catholic Church teaches.)


[u:toua64s4][i:toua64s4][b:toua64s4]What the CCC actually says[/b:toua64s4][/i:toua64s4][/u:toua64s4]

169 Salvation comes from God alone; but because we receive the life of faith through the Church, she is our mother: “We believe the Church as the mother of our new birth, and not in the Church as if she were the author of our salvation.” Because she is our mother, she is also our teacher in the faith.

178 We must believe in no one but God: the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

183 Faith is necessary for salvation. The Lord himself affirms: “He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned” (Mk 16:16).

457 The Word became flesh for us in order to save us by reconciling us with God, who “loved us and sent his Son to be the expiation for our sins”: “the Father has sent his Son as the Savior of the world”, and “he was revealed to take away sins”:
[i:toua64s4]Sick, our nature demanded to be healed; fallen, to be raised up; dead, to rise again. We had lost the possession of the good; it was necessary for it to be given back to us. Closed in the darkness, it was necessary to bring us the light; captives, we awaited a Savior; prisoners, help; slaves, a liberator. Are these things minor or insignificant? Did they not move God to descend to human nature and visit it, since humanity was in so miserable and unhappy a state?[/i:toua64s4]

Christ’s death is the unique and definitive sacrifice

613 Christ’s death is both the Paschal sacrifice that accomplishes the definitive redemption of men, through “the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world”, and the sacrifice of the New Covenant, which restores man to communion with God by reconciling him to God through the “blood of the covenant, which was poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins”.

614 This sacrifice of Christ is unique; it completes and surpasses all other sacrifices. First, it is a gift from God the Father himself, for the Father handed his Son over to sinners in order to reconcile us with himself. At the same time it is the offering of the Son of God made man, who in freedom and love offered his life to his Father through the Holy Spirit in reparation for our disobedience.