Do you ever realize what you write:
[quote:1arpw1jq]It amazes me that Protestants, the very ones who claim to go by Scripture alone, continue to this day to use a non-biblical phrase (“faith alone”) to describe how one is justified. In fact, Scripture goes out of its way to avoid using “faith alone” in reference to justification.[/quote:1arpw1jq]
Just as things like the “trinity” were never put down, that does not mean that it isn’t a fact! The Trinity is a factual teaching as well as faith “alone.”
[quote:1arpw1jq]For example, St. Paul used the word “faith” and its derivatives over 200 times; and the words “alone” or “only” a few dozen times. Some of the appearances of “alone” or “only” occur right in the very contexts that address the subject of Justification (Romans 3:29; 4:12; 4:16; 4:23; Galatians 2:10; 3:2; 4:18; 5:13). Yet in not one instance did St. Paul feel compelled to combine the two words to specify how Justification was procured. [/quote:1arpw1jq]
Yes indeed, just look at the verses that you list in your attempt to give Biblical support – none of which hardly addresses the faith alone subject –
did you ever look at them or as usual, do you just assume that whatever your church lists for verse support “must be right?” (Same thing happens in your whole religion and is a good reason to check Scriptures out for themselves)
[quote:1arpw1jq]What would have kept him from using such an all-telling, all-important, phrase, if, indeed, the concept of “faith alone” was on the forefront of his mind? A haunting question, indeed, for anyone of Ron’s burden to contemplate. [/quote:1arpw1jq]
Do you mean like these verses:
[color=red:1arpw1jq]Romans 3:19-28 – 19 Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. 20 Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin. 21 But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, 22 even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all[a] who believe. For there is no difference; 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, 25 whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, 26 to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
Romans 4:4-6 4 Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt. 5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, 6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works: [/color:1arpw1jq]
Boasting Excluded 27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? No, but by the law of faith. 28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law.
Galatians 2:16 – [color=red:1arpw1jq]16 knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified[/color:1arpw1jq].
And this is only a sample of “Faith alone” dispite never usingthw actual words!
[quote:1arpw1jq]The burden is compounded when we recognize that Scripture considers the phrase “faith alone” to have the utmost importance, since it uses it in one very crucial place – – the very place it decides that it is appropriate to nullify the concept that Justification is by faith alone — James 2:24. In fact, not only does Scripture nullify “faith alone” as justifying, it reinforces its nullity by prefacing it with the clause, “You see, a man is justified by works” prior to adding “and not by faith alone.” [/quote:1arpw1jq]
What burden is that? ‘e already showed how Faith alone is supported in Scriptures with Ephesians 2:8+9 followed by 10 – saved by faith, not works [u:1arpw1jq][b:1arpw1jq]TO DO good works[/b:1arpw1jq][/u:1arpw1jq] not to get saved by the works.
there is no burden of proof needed on my end for it says what it says and is obvious.
[quote:1arpw1jq]Now, the way Ron tries to dismiss the fact that Paul refrained from using “faith alone” is to say that when Paul condemns justification by works, we are to interpret this to mean that Paul believed in faith alone for Justification. This may seem plausible to him, but it is quite wrong. [/quote:1arpw1jq]
Your problem is that you just ignore the scriptures that are obvious such as Romans 11:6 either works or grace but you cannot say grace through works because they are totally opposite in meaning
[quote:1arpw1jq]Condemning works does not automatically mean faith is alone. There are other things that could be added to faith that are not considered works, and thus faith would not be alone. In fact, Paul condemned only one kind of work. He called them works of DEBT (Romans 3:28-4:4). How do we know there is a distinction? Because in the previous chapter Paul says that those who do good works will receive eternal life (Romans 2:6-7) and that those who obey the Law will be justified (Romans 2:13). [/quote:1arpw1jq]
how many works erases sin? NOTHING but the Blood of Jesus does that, so this can only mean actions speak louder than words – a believer will have the characteristics of doing good works as proof of there saving faith. Can you obey the law perfectly? No and as James 2:10+11 tells us “[color=red:1arpw1jq]10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all….you have become a transgressor of the law.”[/color:1arpw1jq]thus you need redemption of some sort – this was provided totally by Jesus- 1 Peter 1:18, 19 – [color=red:1arpw1jq]18 knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, like silver or gold, from your aimless conduct received by tradition from your fathers, 19 but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot[/color:1arpw1jq]
[quote:1arpw1jq]As for works of DEBT, Catholics also condemn the idea that man can put God in debt to save him by his own works. The very first canon of the Council of Trent states this quite plainly:
If anyone shall say that man can be justified before God by his own works which are done either by his own natural powers, or through the teaching of the Law, and without divine grace through Christ Jesus: let him be anathema. [/quote:1arpw1jq]
Ah back to your church’s tendency to double talk – which means one cannot do good works unless God provides the grace to do them? Now what is it can we or can’t we? You have a strange way to say good works count – it certainly isn’t Biblical
[quote:1arpw1jq]If you ask Ron how he deals with Paul’s teaching in Romans 2:6-13 9 (that those who do good works will be justified and receive eternal life), he will answer something like this: “Oh, Paul didn’t really mean that one can receive justification and eternal life for good works. It only appears that way. Actually, Paul was setting up an impossible task for man in order to drive him to the next chapter where he teaches that only faith without works will justify.” But notice what he’s done. Without any indication from Paul that he is setting up an impossible task. [/quote:1arpw1jq]
No thank you, but I can say things for myself which leaves no impossibility for anything as you claim where as I’m still waiting for your attempts to explain just how Scriptures tell us it is by faith (alone) in what Christ did (alone), its a gift, not accomplished by works – that you deny!
[quote:1arpw1jq]Why does Ron do this? Because he must in order to make his theology work. Look at it this way: There are two solutions to the seeming contradiction between what Paul says in Romans 2:6-13 and what he says in Romans 3:23-4:4. Either you conclude that Paul is dealing with two different kinds of works (works of debt and works of grace), or you say he is dealing with only one kind of work (any work). The Catholic Church has chosen the former; Ron has chosen the latter. [/quote:1arpw1jq]
Just look at what Romans 11:6 says, and is proven by verses 9:30-32 and 10:2-4 – and you will see who is interpreting it correctly