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you cannot put james against the rest of the Bible as many of your apologist do Mr LARoberts but as you said we must look at the Bible not just your section. BUt we’ll look at those verses that you used to show the rest.

Mt 19:16-17, Jesus says that to have life we have to keep the commandments.
Jn 14:21, Jesus says that he who keeps my commandments loves me.
Can anyone do this perfectlly ? Answer – no Romans 3:10+23 tells us there are none righteous.

Rom 2:2-8, Paul says that we gain eternal life by persevering in good works.
Lets see just what they say – [color=red:24u1lc7m]For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 [u:24u1lc7m][b:24u1lc7m]not of works, lest anyone should boast[/b:24u1lc7m][/u:24u1lc7m]. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus [u:24u1lc7m][b:24u1lc7m]for good works[/b:24u1lc7m][/u:24u1lc7m], which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them[/color:24u1lc7m]
Notice it says saved “not of works ” “to do god works” not to get saved by doing them?

Gal 5:4-6, Paul tells us that nothing counts except faith working through love.
[color=red:24u1lc7m]4 You have become estranged from Christ, [u:24u1lc7m][b:24u1lc7m]you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.[/b:24u1lc7m][/u:24u1lc7m] 5 For we through the Spirit eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. 6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love.[/color:24u1lc7m]
notice the underlined? even Paul says (saved By) faith (okay to do) working though love – No problem there

Eph 2:8-10 Paul says that we are created in Christ for good works.
as noted above – for good works not to get saved by the works

Phil 2:12-13 Paul says that he is working out his salvation through fear and trembling (not a one time done and over with event).
of course like James says faith without works is dead, a person
gets saved (The one and done part -see Ephesians 1:13,14) and must have the evidence showing in His life by fighting off Satans temptations and our own flesh – nothing wrong here

And Jas 2:14-24 that I have already quoted above that specifically says that man is not justified by faith alone.
yet Galations 2:16 tells us -[color=red:24u1lc7m] knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified[/color:24u1lc7m]
Paul tells us in Romans 3:27+28 -[color=red:24u1lc7m] 27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? No, but by the law of faith. 28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law.[/color:24u1lc7m]

can the gospel be both? No if by works then not grace if by grace not works as Romans 11:6 says

then we’ll look for an example – the thief in the cross ad no time to get baptised or do any good works, yet he got saved and

Romans 4:3 to 6 tells us – [color=red:24u1lc7m] 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.”[b:24u1lc7m] 4 Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt 5 But [u:24u1lc7m]to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness[/b:24u1lc7m][/u:24u1lc7m], 6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works[/color:24u1lc7m]
please note the highlighted part

Well Mr LARoberts since the Biblical God has a gospel of grace – your works only reflect a believer faith – saved by faith to do good works –

so now you know we are saved by faith (alone) in what Jesus did (alone)