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About your article Mr. LARoberts:
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My mistake. I reviewed the site you posted again. There is another Sola Guy on another board who denies that dinos ever existed, I got you guys confused as you use the same anti-catholic rhetoric and source materials. [/quote:1dtkbt3v]
I’d like to me him.

[quote:1dtkbt3v]I do think that the whole literal seven 24 hour day and the world is only 6000 years old is bunk, but then again as a Catholic, I am required to believe that God created the Universe and all that by His own power He did so out of nothing, I must admit that He could have done so in seven 24 hour periods of time. Which I do admit freely that He could have done, but I don’t buy that the Bible is a Science textbook and feel the stories of creation are allegorical. [/quote:1dtkbt3v]
In Genesis 1 it repeatedly says comments like “There was morning and evening the first day.” Now why is it that you think of that as allegorical, but parts of John 6 you take as literal yet it has comments like whoever eats of me will never die (but check out your nearest funeral home, they’re still busy) or will never hunger, yet everyday we do?

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You have not shown any of my aticles to be false.

(Others and ) I have pointed out some areas we find unacceptable and in error, or contradictory to what Christians have beleived from the founding of the Church by Jesus to today.[/quote:1dtkbt3v]

You mean it only contradicts what Catholics believe, for you seem to think to much about Matthew 16:18 as if Jesus meant Catholicism. Let me ask then – are only Catholics Going to Heaven? (Matthew 7:13,14 says only one way)
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When I am back up to full energy I may tackle some more points. The fact you reject what other people post here does not mean that someone has not replied or shown where we find fault in your articles. [/quote:1dtkbt3v]
I’m sorry but I don’t recall those spots – like where and when?

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WHy do you tell me about the love of Jesus yet you deny that we are cleaned by His Blood shed at Calvary’s cross?

Enough of false statements from you Ronald. False Witness is contrary to the Bible, Catholic and Protestant.[/quote:1dtkbt3v]
You think that I’m lying? Let’s continue below, I’ll elaborate exactly

[quote:1dtkbt3v] The only person who says that Catholics deny that we are cleansed by the Blood shed by Christ Jesus on Calvary’s cross is you.[/quote:1dtkbt3v]
Okay, then do you deny Purgatory, works and sacramental cleansing? To believe in those things shows that you deny the cleansing of His blood – It can’t be both

[quote:1dtkbt3v] Catholics do not deny it, where we do differ is how the Graces of the cross are applied to us.[/quote:1dtkbt3v]
Yes and thus you differ on how you figure someone goes to Heaven. Have you ever looked up in a dictionary what the word grace means?

[quote:1dtkbt3v] For two thousand years Chritians have held what the Apostles taught (based on what they heard from Jesus Himself) that the process of salvation is thus.[/quote:1dtkbt3v]
No sir! This is only what you claim it to be, but it is not the way Jesus declared!

[quote:1dtkbt3v] When an adult person has Faith, which he only has through supernatural grace from God he submits himself to the will of God by accepting baptism. In baptism, the graces won for us by Christ on the Cross are infused into the soul, all past sins, and Original sin are forgiven, we are incorporated into the Body of Christ, and become adopted sons and daughters of God with all the rights and responsibilities inherent in the adoption.[/quote:1dtkbt3v]
So do we ignore the verses such as Titus 3:5 – not by the righteous deeds that we have done, or Ephesians 2:8+9 – saved by grace not works less you can boast? And do we throw out John 2:16 and John 3:36 because you never mentioned anything about “whosoever believes?” And in an infants case, they don’t believe anything yet, but you claim Baptism gets one saved!

[quote:1dtkbt3v] All of this is not though our own will or power, nor through the will or power of the minister but through Christ who is the primary person who acts in the Sacraments by the merits of his suffering and death, as well as his resurrection. [/quote:1dtkbt3v]
This is why I’ll never return to your church – Did you look at the many verses on my home page that tell us by His blood we are bough ten, cleansed, redeemed etc starting with Isaiah 53:5 – by His stripes we are healed? There is nothing said about sacraments being the way Christ merits our salvation to us. That is a false gospel my friend.

[quote:1dtkbt3v]From the days of the Apostles, infants and children where baptized and it was the parents or sponsors who supplied the intention for the infants and children. [/quote:1dtkbt3v]
Are we to make a change in John 3:16 to have it say “whosoever has their paren’ts permission?

[quote:1dtkbt3v]Having been weakened by original and actual sin, we do even after our conversion fall prey to the tempting of the devil. Our Lord, being true God and true Man aware of our weakness provided for us another means of grace, in penance we find assurance of forgiveness. [/quote:1dtkbt3v]
This also has been twisted for only God can forgive sins

[quote:1dtkbt3v]Just as He comissioned the Apostles to do as He did, and gave them the authority that He as God had, (Whoever’s sins you forgive they are forgiven…) we are given this assurance, and the authority given to priests is not of their own, nor based on their worthiness, but on the redemtive acts on the Cross by Christ Jesus. The Primary priest, our high priest works through his earthly minister the priest who absolves not on his own authority, but as the formula for aboslution says… [/quote:1dtkbt3v]
That is an out-right lie Mr. LARoberts, In fact Jesus actually did away with the sacrificial priests in Hebrews 7

[quote:1dtkbt3v](1) “May the Almighty God have mercy on you, and forgiving your sins, bring you to life everlasting. Amen.” Then, lifting his right hand towards the penitent, the priest continues: “May the Almighty and Merciful God grant you pardon, absolution, and remission of your sins”.
(2) “May Our Lord Jesus Christ absolve you, and I, by His authority, absolve you from every bond of excommunication [suspension, in the case of a cleric only] and interdict as far as I can and you may need.”
(3) “I absolve you from your sins in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Amen.”
I see in the prayers above that the priest is very clear that God forgives their sins, and that any absolution the priest may grant is based on God’s power, and any authority that the priest claims to forgive sin is based on God’s power and authority not based on the priest or his own personal powers. [/quote:1dtkbt3v]
Our sins are forgiven when we trust in Christ’s shed blood, not some confession of sins
Again you fail to account for John 3:16 and 3:36

[quote:1dtkbt3v]In the Holy Eucharist, we see fulfilled Christ’s promise that He will give us a bread that when we eat it we will never hunger. When we recieve communion on a regular basis with the proper disposition, we are strengthened spiritually, our spiritual hunger is quenched. The Scriptures tell us about our Lord admonishing the jews who asked how hard it was to believe that we must eat His body and drink His blood. Unlike in the parables, when someone would misunderstand, and he would rephrase or explain away the misunderstanding, He did not back away but reaffirmed that if we do not eat His body and drink His blood we would have no life within us. While at Mass the priest is the minister that Christ uses, it is Jesus Himself who is the chief priest and the sacrificial victim at each Mass. [/quote:1dtkbt3v]
Not so Mr. LARoberts, This is as your church professes, but it doesn’t happen in that way for Jesus cannot go against His own word as I’ve clearly shown in my article on this topic.

[quote:1dtkbt3v]Most Protestants disavow themselves of the Mass, as they hold a narrow view that the Sacrifice which was complete at Calvary cannot be repeated, and they claim that Catholics are trying to repeat or augment the Cross.[/quote:1dtkbt3v]
Perhaps we do hold a narrow view, but just as Matthew 7:13 + 14 tell us, Narrow is the view and few will find the path to Heaven.

[quote:1dtkbt3v] That is the last thing that the Mass does, Christ being God can trancend time and space, in His resurrected and glorified body He is not bound by the same limits as we are. [/quote:1dtkbt3v]
He does not, however, do as you are suggesting as I explain in my third article
[quote:1dtkbt3v]Therefore He can be present after the consecration and He can transform the bread and wine into His own body and blood. From the time of the Apostles it has been held that when the minister of Christ (a bishop or priest in the case of the Eucharist) does and says what Jesus did and said at the Last Supper, that Christ Jesus using the man who has been authorized, anointed and approved by Him through His Church changes the bread and wine into His own body and blood.[/quote:1dtkbt3v]
If this wasn’t so serious, I’d ask you if you wanted some ocean front property in Arizona after all, you swallowed that false premise

[quote:1dtkbt3v] Just as He brought salvation to the world by coming in the flesh, He uses His own creation to come to us, just as in following His instructions to do what He commanded we reach up to Him. As His brothers and sisters by adoption and as the sons and daughters of the Father by adoption we embrace our Father and He us. [/quote:1dtkbt3v]
Sorry but you aren’t a son until you believe as He wishes.

[quote:1dtkbt3v]Now these and the other sacraments are empowered by the Sacrifice of Christ to give us grace and to help us “Run the Good Race” as St. Paul tells us.[/quote:1dtkbt3v]
Nope, Jesus died to save us, He didn’t need sacraments to do that (And you said “no more lies?) The rest of your posting is filled with YOUR false beliefs not the Biblical beliefs as Christ intended