Mr. LARoberts says:
[quote:w8j8iigg]The problem Ron is “Someone” yes I say it again, “Someone” has the authority to tell you. Being blind to the Biblical History, you omit the point in the early Church [/quote:w8j8iigg]
Yes I do have a problem with History and what the Catholic church tells us is history. How do you know what they are telling you that the history that “they present” is actual or not? Espescially when only 400 years ago people believed that the world was flat and even today many would claim that the Earth and man originated over billions of years with evolution, so where was the correct History of catholicism those years?
[quote:w8j8iigg]where based on a consensus of the Early Church Fathers, and through the Guidance of the Holy Ghost a council the Catholic Church chose from among the many books circulating at the time and held by individual communities of Christians what books where inspired and what books would be rejected as Inspired. [/quote:w8j8iigg]
And what of this so called apostolic succession – do you think Jesus would allow popes to father other popes from prostitutes and power surges as your popes proposes? there at times were 3 popes in office at once and they couldn’t agree who the pope was!
It is on that basis you have the texts ordered as they are. Why do they have this authority, well simply because Christ Jesus founded a visible Church on the Apostles with Peter as the leader of that said Church, and He gave Peter and the Apostles that authority. [/quote:w8j8iigg]
Again you suggest the translation of Matthew 16:18 to us as the same catholic church tells us is correct. Why? Because they say so isn’t good enough when I can see for myself that Jesus was saying that He (Jesus not Peter) would build His (again not Peter’s ) church? and their claim that Peter is the rock is (once again) their interpretation when Scriptures always presents Jesus as THE ROCK, what makes you think that ths is truth?
[quote:w8j8iigg] If anyone is ignoring the Sacredness of the Bible, and the authority it carries it is not the Catholic Church. [/quote:w8j8iigg]
Again WHy? Because they say so? When they tell us that priests can remove sins (based on their interpretation of John 20:23) when the Bible clearly shows that only God can forgive sins? Once again all the power is given to a priest when Jesus is the high priest and not men (except all believers are now priests to the lost)
If we follow the illogic of the Protestant “Bible Beliver” and Sola Sciptura and we look into the history of the early Church before the books of the Bible where determined we and buy the invention of Protestant theologians that the Church is an invisible collection of true believers.[/quote:w8j8iigg]
So wheree did you get that the denomination of catholicism is Christ’s church except for that is what [b:w8j8iigg][i:w8j8iigg][u:w8j8iigg]they[/u:w8j8iigg][/i:w8j8iigg][/b:w8j8iigg] claim, the catholic circular reasoning?
That only the individual can have assurance of his own salvation based on a split second commitment to Christ and accepting Him as their savior. [/quote:w8j8iigg]
A quick decision? you are calling a lifetime commitment, a change of heart, a split second decision? No sir Mr. LARoberts, it is a life commintment as Ephsians 1:13+14 tells us – [color=red:w8j8iigg]In whom ye also trusted, [u:w8j8iigg][b:w8j8iigg]after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit[/b:w8j8iigg][/u:w8j8iigg] of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory. [/color:w8j8iigg] It’s the “born again” moment requred to get to Heaven (which your church claims is done through Baptism? – nahhhha! That is another reason for giving the priests of catholicism “the power” [i:w8j8iigg]they[/i:w8j8iigg] want)
Then we are posed with this question, did the Catholic Church leave out books that where accepted by these believers when they rejected other letters and books written by the Apostles and other writers who heard Christ Jesus for themselves. And Did Christ Jesus (form the Bible) instruct anyone to write anything, or did He tell him to preach the gospel, (Good News) to the ends of the earth, something only done so far by the Catholic Church. [/quote:w8j8iigg]
Well I think we are given a bigger question – are we to believe that Jesus saved us by what He did at Calvary or by your church’s claims that sacraments and purgatory take care of sins?
That is the choice given to us – I’ll stick with what His written word says.
[quote:w8j8iigg]Your premise of The Bible is the word of God because I as a believer say so, combined with your shrieks of You don’t know the Bible, Only I do. Add to that the “Don’t quote me out of context, but I can quote any single text, based on how I interpret, (or more likley how the books I have read by other protestants, since none of your arguments are novel, but rather the same old dusty arguments of anti-catholic writers of the past two centuries, sometimes word for word) are as Luther said of the Epistle of James, as straw, easily blown away by the wind. [/quote:w8j8iigg]
Nothing worth reading here but slander! The Bible is the Word of God because it proves itself to be 100% correct and Jesus told us that it is the power to save (Romans 1:16) To all that hear and believe (Romans 10:9,10) to grow by (1 Peter 2:2). And if we stayed in it, we’d be saved
(John 8:31,32) He wassn’t telling some magestirium this, He was telling us that!
You can keep your catholic whatever – I don’t want anything to do with their twists. As Revelaton tells us
Rev 18:4-[b:w8j8iigg][color=red:w8j8iigg] And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. (KJV)[/color:w8j8iigg][/b:w8j8iigg]