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[quote:2gwdpn1h]Yes because we are impute His rigthousness, never are we, or anyone else perfect in these corrupt bodies or have you never read Paul’s comments in Roman 3, 7 and Ephesians two?[/quote:2gwdpn1h]
Do you miss the fact that in each of those chapters, Paul is contrasting the sin of before with the righteousness we have gained through Christ? You are only reading half the story.

Just take a look at Romans 3 where St. Paul quotes Psalm 14. Read Psalm 14 (and 53, which is very much the same) to get the context and, thus, the meaning he intends to convey. St. Paul does not quote the Old Testament out of context.

[quote:2gwdpn1h]For the leader. Of David. [u:2gwdpn1h]Fools[/u:2gwdpn1h] say in their hearts, “There is no God.” Their deeds are loathsome and corrupt; not one does what is right.

The LORD looks down from heaven upon the human race, To see if even one is wise, if even one seeks God.

All have gone astray; all alike are perverse. Not one does what is right, not even one.

Will [u:2gwdpn1h]these evildoers[/u:2gwdpn1h] never learn? [u:2gwdpn1h]They[/u:2gwdpn1h] devour [b:2gwdpn1h]my people[/b:2gwdpn1h] as [u:2gwdpn1h]they[/u:2gwdpn1h] devour bread; [u:2gwdpn1h]they[/u:2gwdpn1h] do not call upon the LORD.

[u:2gwdpn1h]They[/u:2gwdpn1h] have good reason, then, to fear; [b:2gwdpn1h]God is with the company of the just[/b:2gwdpn1h].

[u:2gwdpn1h]They[/u:2gwdpn1h] would crush the hopes of the poor, but [b:2gwdpn1h]the poor[/b:2gwdpn1h] have the LORD as their refuge.

Oh, that from Zion might come the deliverance of Israel, That Jacob may rejoice, and Israel be glad when the LORD restores his people![/quote:2gwdpn1h]
Notice how David is contrasting the fools and evildoers with his people, the just and the poor. The point of the Psalm that St. Paul is trying to get across is that Jew and Gentile alike are sinners and in need of Christ.

You are taking hyperbole at face value and that disvalues the Scriptures.

Romans 6 tells us that we can be holy like those who have risen even before we die physically because we have been baptized into the death of Christ.

[quote:2gwdpn1h]But then you’d rather believe that someone’s else’s prayers does that? Not likely.[/quote:2gwdpn1h]
Do you believe that prayer is ineffectual? Or only that prayer for others is ineffectual?

[quote:2gwdpn1h]Well I surely won’t use that kind of logic as an excuse, or as a reason to doubt His Word but then again, Catholics do have that tendency don’t they?[/quote:2gwdpn1h]
Catholics have a tendency to believe that God is a God of order and we interpret Scripture with an eye towards it, rather than a wooden interpretation that only comes through reading into the text and ignoring context.

Reason be damned if it contradicts your interpretation, right Ron?

Only that which is perfect can enter heaven. No matter how much we may be declared righteous, if we are not in truth righteous, we are not in truth perfect. Christ did not suffer on the cross to cover us. He suffered and died to cleanse us.

Next question:

Do you believe that we ever truly become perfect?