Uncertaindrummer says to my replies:
[quote:3r2gzjip]What is nonsense about using Scriptures to interpret Scriptures? Luke 5:21 says that fact that only God can forgive sins. Why would God allow to sinful men such “power” so that He Himself wiould have to follow Man’s ways – You better think again,my friend.
First of all, using Scripture to interpret Scripture is self defeating. It doesn’t work. It is yet another in a long line of your logical fallacies. But for the moment, I will disregard that. [/quote:3r2gzjip]
Where do you get that goofy notion? Don’t tell me, let me guess your church -right?
[quote:3r2gzjip]GOD FORGIVES SINS. There is no doubt about that. ONLY God can forgive sins. And ONLY God can perform miracles. And yet, God works many miracles through His Apostles. In the same way, He gave them the power to forgive sins. He SAYS it, RIGHT THERE, and you have no alternative explanation. Your drivel about “no, He just meant that the Apostles could *inform* people if their sins are forgiven” is simply WRONG. He doesn’t say that. He says, whoever’s sins they forgive, are forgiven. Period.
Here’s the double talk – first you admit that only God can forgve sins but then you add that He gave the power to His apostles (which then gives it through apostlic succession no doubt to priests) So here is a perfect case of which is it God alone or God + men? It cannot be both because then it wouldn’t be God alone.
Why” because there is a need for you to hear how you’ve been and are being sold a false Gospel that saves no one.
Sold? Is that so. If it is so false, why are all the crazy mangled bending into pretzel interpretations YOUR ideas, where as I just look at Scripture and believe it? [/quote:3r2gzjip]
Oh is that so? So tell me where the Bible says to PRAY to Mary +saints, purgatory, the meriting graces through sacraments, These are just for starters for I guarantee that the twisting is done on YOUR part!
You don’t have to believe me but look at what I’m saying and compare what I say to the Word of God itself – read my website I explain every detail complete and simple enough that anyone that really wants to see and spend eternity in Heaven
I have no desire to look at your website. Far better apologists than you have attempted to bring down Catholicism and they all fail, because the Gates of Hell will not prevail agaisnt God’s Church. [/quote:3r2gzjip]
That is your unfortunate free will choice and for your info God hasn’t let His Church fail yet but that has nothing to do with Catholicism – as you WILL someday find out….. ” title=”Wink” />
[quote:3r2gzjip]The Church is the pillar and foundation if they follow God’s instructions
Ah, Ron. You are starting to really crack me up. That isn’t what the Bible says. It simply says the Church is the pillar and foundation of truth. YOU added this other stuff onto the end. YOU are making void the word of God by your man made traditions. [/quote:3r2gzjip]
Are you then saying that ALL Catholics are going to Heaven dispite so many variations of beliefs (or lack of) within the Catholic Church? That’s what you are suggesting!
but it isn’t some “denomination” that claims religious superiority and does so many of the things that goes against God’s Word such as yours or JW’s, Mormans, Moslems etc….
And yet… I’m listening to the bile and you aren’t? So how does my Church go agaisnt the bible which you jsut tried to explain away by adding your own idea onto the end of a very clear, poignant Biblical verse? [/quote:3r2gzjip]
I’ve Already covered this with my other remarks above
and the church that is started by Christ is all of the saved individuals put together –
Says who? The Church is a very real institution, as evidenced by everything in the Bible. [/quote:3r2gzjip]
Glad you asked – Read Ephesians 5:25 to 32 – [color=red:3r2gzjip]”Husbands, love your wives, even as [u:3r2gzjip]Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish[/u:3r2gzjip]. So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself. For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it,[u:3r2gzjip] even as the Lord the church: For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.[/color:3r2gzjip] [/u:3r2gzjip] (I skipped verse 31 so you don’t get entirely confused) And I underlined what He is saying about His Church
so how does anyone figure that Catholicism is that Church when many “catholics” don’t even care how they believe or what they believe, especially with all of your Traditions that DOES go against Scriptures.
My Church WROTE the Scriptures. It doesn’t go against them. [/quote:3r2gzjip]
Really? doesn’t 1 Peter have something against Private interpretation? And now you are suggesting that a GROUP of individuals can? I don’t see how that can be? Sorry pal – just look at the twisting that your church does if you want to – but you already said that you don’t care to look at my website… your choosing to be blind and I can’t stop that.
Satan divides marriages too – what is your point?
Yes, you are right, and when Satan divides a marriage, it ruins the marriage. Hence, when your Church is splintered, it just goes to show how fake it was. But it doesn’t endanger the *institution* of marriage when one couple fails, and in the same way Satan cannot get his hands on the real *institution*, the Catholic Church. I find your analogy very fitting[/quote:3r2gzjip].
Thank you but you still continue to double talk as in saying “the real institution, the Catholic Church” that is your opinion, not a fact as I can show you but you don’t have the eyes to see or the ears to hear either.
[quote:3r2gzjip]You are saying nothing that I haven’t heard from Scriptures – Matthew 7:13+14 tells us the same thing to the max! Jesus told His desciples to go and preach, making others into believers in Matthew 28:20 – that is my authority and that has never changed yet.
Sure, but His disciples recieved their authority from Him. Did He come to you in a vision and tell you that YOUR way is correct? (And it is YOUR way.)[/quote:3r2gzjip]_________________
His word is the same today as it was then – God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow- or don’t you ever seek His will in His word? I see no difference in His wish nor His way – read Romans 10:14-17