Uncertaindrummer says:
[color=blue:3gtrrz3q]”Whose sins you forgive are forgiven them, and whose sins you retain are retained.”
Ron, you are looking at this verse and denying what any honest person would ever say about it. You see this and somehow come up with this idea that God was NOT giving them the power to forgive sins. That is nonsense.
What is nonsense about using Scriptures to interpret Scriptures? Luke 5:21 says that fact that only God can forgive sins. Why would God allow to sinful men such “power” so that He Himself wiould have to follow Man’s ways – You better think again,my friend. [/color:3gtrrz3q]
[color=blue:3gtrrz3q]You are twisting things to fit your pre existing notions–and it is not working. Why is it that every time we run into a Bible verse you have to explain it away? How come you have to explain away John 6, the entirety of James, Jesus’ exhortations to listen to the Apostles as if Himself, His pronouncement of Peter as the rock, the obvious Church hierarchy in Acts 15, etc. etc. etc… [/color:3gtrrz3q]
Simply to help you understand how erronious your church teaches you – that if somebody wouldn’t tell you, you’d never figure it out by yourself – or as Romans 10:14+15 puts it – [color=red:3gtrrz3q]How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! [/color:3gtrrz3q]
[color=blue:3gtrrz3q]Why? How come there are never any problematic verses for anyone’s beliefs but YOURS? Why don’t you start conforming your beliefs, instead of trying to interpret the Bible in such a way that you can maintain what you want to maintain. [/color:3gtrrz3q]
Why” because there is a need for you to hear how you’ve been and are being sold a false Gospel that saves no one. You don’t have to believe me but look at what I’m saying and compare what I say to the Word of God itself – read my website I explain every detail complete and simple enough that anyone that really wants to see and spend eternity in Heaven
can understand
[color=blue:3gtrrz3q]The Church is the pillar and foundation of truth; the Bible never even claims to be sufficient for our salvation, much less provide us with a list of its books; for that matter many books never even claim to be inspired, and yet you act as if you have some authority to bellow and shout from on high? [/color:3gtrrz3q]
The Church is the pillar and foundation if they follow God’s instructions but it isn’t some “denomination” that claims religious superiority and does so many of the things that goes against God’s Word such as yours or JW’s, Mormans, Moslems etc…. and the church that is started by Christ is all of the saved individuals put together – so how does anyone figure that Catholicism is that Church when many “catholics” don’t even care how they believe or what they believe, especially with all of your Traditions that DOES go against Scriptures.
[color=blue:3gtrrz3q]Where is your authority, Ron? And why do twenty thousand protestant denominations disagree with you, while claiming to read the “plain wording of Scripture” just as you do? [/color:3gtrrz3q]
Satan divides marriages too – what is your point? You are saying nothing that I haven’t heard from Scriptures – Matthew 7:13+14 tells us the same thing to the max! Jesus told His desciples to go and preach, making others into believers in Matthew 28:20 – that is my authority and that has never changed yet.
[color=blue:3gtrrz3q]You can try to twist such obvious verses as this until your eyes bulge out of their sockets, but in the end, you don’t even know why you attempt to interpret the Bible.
Why should I listen to you, Ron?[/color:3gtrrz3q]
So where or what do you claim that I twist or “make my own interpretations?” And if I’m telling you the truth, then why not check it out – or ask more questions if you wish – that wouldn’t bother me in the least as I am not the decieved one here good buddy!