Te Deum: You wrote:
[quote:l3g30w6b]All the seven sacraments can be found both in the Holy Bible and the Holy Tradition.
1. Baptism (the Baptism at the Jordan, Jesus commanded the Apostles to “go and baptize in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit”, etc), 2. Eucharist or Communion (from the Last Supper – “This is My Body, this is My Blood”), 3. Confirmation (the gift of the Holy Spirit that descended upon the Apostles at the Pentecostes), 4. Ordination (The succesion of the Apostles – upon whom Christ built His Church – evident throughout the early Church’s history), 5. Penance (Christ Himself delegated that power on the Apostles), 6. Anointing of the Sick (James 5:14-15) and 7. Matrimony (second chapter of Genesis and Matthew 19:4-6). [/quote:l3g30w6b]
I’ve never met you before but I can undoubtingly see that you’ve been
decieved BIG TIME!!!
To begin with your remark about the seven sacraments being in the Bible.
Jesus gave us two – Baptism and Communion
The rest are sacraments to you and your church but they never were called sacraments in the Bible.
1 Baptism doesn’t save anyone
2 communion is done in remembrance of Calvary – no real presence as you may think
3 Confirmation – ?
4 ordination – No such thing as Apostolic succession
5 Penance – for what? Jesus took care of my sins with His death – your priest cannot remove any sin!
6 Anointing of the Sick – okay but what part is to be called a sacrament?
7 Matrimony – again I ask why is this a sacrament?
You also wrote:
[quote:l3g30w6b]Finally, always keep in mind that the recipient of the Faith is fully found in the Church, encompassing Scripture and Tradition. Apostolic succession is the key to understand the legitimacy of the Church and of orthodoxy and it was the tool used by the Church Fathers to discern what would be canonical scripture and what wouldn’t. The standard has always been the Faith of the Apostles, who lived with and died for Christ. That same Faith that they passed on by to their successors ininterruptedly until our days.
Scripture alone doesn’t work, because there was already the Church before the Scripture. Likewise, that same Scripture was gathered and preserved by that same Church, the Catholic Church. [/quote:l3g30w6b]
Apostolic succession? Can’t be because your church (Catholicism) do a lot of things that the apostles never did nor teach and BTW- as far as the Scriptures – they are sufficient and complete and they do work very nicely. What is it that Scriptures don’t take care of??? AND Scriptures were around before the Church, The Old Testament for example. And furthermore God is the author of Scriptures through inspiration of men – not by your Catholic Church!
Ron