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[b:3k6xg1og]Uncertaindrummer you said – [/b:3k6xg1og]
[quote:3k6xg1og]I see now that no amount of common sense will do you good. You can throw scriptue passages at me all day long. You think I haven’t READ them? How about reading 1 Corinthians 3:10-15. Just read it with an open mind and tell me what you think of it. [/quote:3k6xg1og]

[b:3k6xg1og]I’m well aware of those verses… Did you read them? They say nothing about anybody going through fire.. it says our works do, our works are examined for what? motivation behind the things we’ve done. Furthermore Scriptures do not contradict other Scriptures such as Hebrews 9:22 – that tells us without the sheding of blood there is no forgiveness – it says nothing about being purged BY fire! So now who is using common sense here? you continued:[/b:3k6xg1og]

[quote:3k6xg1og]Your theory that: Jesus saved us so we need do nothing. What of the fact that all Jesus did while on Earth is exhort us to DO things! Just READ the Gospels man, without prejudice or singling out of specific passages. Just read them, and notice HOW OFTEN we are told to do things by Jesus. Then go read James[/quote:3k6xg1og]

[b:3k6xg1og]I am aware of James and he is correct “Faith without works is dead!” But Faith in what? your abilities to do enough to gain Heaven? Cann”t happen, but faith alone in what Jesus did does save THEN if one says He believes they should have been doing works as evidence that one really is a Believer, not as a means to gain Heaven; It is clearly demonstrated in that Ephesians 2:10 follows verses 8+9 where the works comes in! You continued:[/b:3k6xg1og]

[quote:3k6xg1og]In the meantime stop stalling the discussion of purgatory by bringing your entire system into this. I KNOW you think you are saved by Faith alone. But exlpain to me what happens to someone who (is “saved” of course) dies with undeadly sin. What happens?[/quote:3k6xg1og]

[b:3k6xg1og]What sin isn’t deadly? James as you recommended says if we are guilty of one we’re guilty of all! What sins can we get away with? none- for no sin enters Heaven (Rev.21:27) Now if we both sin and die which is very likely to happen, I still get saved because I trusted in the finished work of Jesus at Calvary, but you who trusts in priests and sacrements and purgatory…. well read John 3:36 – it (the second half) is self explanitory[/b:3k6xg1og]

[quote:3k6xg1og]When you deal with my arguments and stop coming up with the childish answer that faith alone will save you, perhaps we will have something to talk about.[/quote:3k6xg1og]

N[b:3k6xg1og]ow what do you have to talk about???? (or is it you won’t talk at all)[/b:3k6xg1og]