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Very narrow thinking by saying

[quote:1z9xihjp]Now hold on. Saved? That is different from redeemed, and that is what Jesus did for everyone. Being saved comes later. So basically you just admitted that Jesus Redeeming us has nothing to do with purgatory [/quote:1z9xihjp]

It all is the same -if one is redeemed, their sins are forgiven!

[quote:1z9xihjp]Second, I’ll tell you who gave me that idea, Martin Luther (ya know, the guy who started the whole rebellion against God’s Church thing) gave me that idea, telling me I should sin often since it proves my faith. And basically protestants have never really changed that.[/quote:1z9xihjp]

I applaud Martin Luther for starting the reformation, but he is not my Leader, Jesus Christ (of the Bible) is And I follow His word not Martin Luther

[quote:1z9xihjp]If there is no purgatory, it means one of three things:

Everyone who has even the slightest sin at the time of death (or even un-satisfied retribution for sin) goes to Hell.


Everyone who sins goes right to Heaven despite these sins, contradicting Revelation and two thousand years of Church teachings. [/quote:1z9xihjp]

Or the third way as His Word tells us in Hebrews 1:3 -Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power,[color=red:1z9xihjp][b:1z9xihjp] when he had by himself purged our sins, [/b:1z9xihjp][/color:1z9xihjp]sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
ISA 53:5 – But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

ROM 5:9 – Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

ACTS 20:28 – which he hath purchased with his own blood.

EPH 1:7 – In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

COL 1:14 – In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

COL 1:20 – And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

HEB 10:10-12, 14 – By which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. (11) And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: (12) But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God ;(14) For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

1 PET 1:18 -19 – Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; (19) But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

I JN 1:7 – But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

REV 1:5 – And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, In other words, when Jesus said, “It is finished” as He died on the cross, He was declaring that He did everything (and the only thing) that takes away sins. That is further shown in Hebrews 1:3 where it says “After having PURGED our sins..”

Noticed the focus is in what He did? John 3:16 says, “For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” The Bible reveals that Salvation is a gift, attained by faith in what He did nearly 2000 years ago at Calvary, not what we do. The perfect righteousness, needed to enter Heaven is imputed to our account the moment we accept God’s gift by making that “born-again” decision of making Him your personal Lord and Savior, thus we can know that, “Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: (ROMANS 3:24)

I choose Number 3- the finished work of Jesus <img decoding=” title=”Very Happy” />