Very good question you have Victor:

[quote:3tmud83b]Can a man that is in Christ, seize to be in Christ in the future? If not, why not?[/quote:3tmud83b]

I don’t think so although your examples do suggest differently and they do make one feel that way. However would a true believer ever reach that point is very doubtful as well. This I do know – we can’t ignore the verses that I gave either, nor can one sin their salvation away. As for the
Romans 11:20 -23 this is about the overall people not individuals. The Jews were God’s elect until they, as a whole, rejected the Gospel. The door of Salvation was then opened up to the Gentiles (us) with the Gospel. But this is getting sidelined to far off the main subject.

Luke 8:13 – those on whom the word makes some impressions, but they are not deep and durable ones, will show their hypocrisy in a time of trial; as the seed sown upon the rock, where it gains no root, v. 13. These for awhile believe a little while; their profession promises something, but in time of temptation they fall away from their good beginnings. Whether the temptation arises from the smiles or the frowns, of the world, they are easily overcome by it.

Luke 15:11-32 – a good example of the true believer, although he backslid, He eventually came back to a reality of where his true home was. It shows the patience of God and the need for a believer to be truly a repentant person lest they be lost forever. It involves the heart not just the head.

John 15:1-10 – [color=blue:3tmud83b]note the verses mentioned #3 -Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you. #7- If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you. [/color:3tmud83b]Yet your church says that we cannot understand Scriptures without your magestirium. Why is that?

I hope this help you understand as well??? If a person truly is a believer, they would have been sealed as a believer –
Eph 1:13,14 – [color=darkred:3tmud83b]In whom ye also trusted, [u:3tmud83b]after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit [/u:3tmud83b]of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.[/color:3tmud83b]