[quote:21d8o1rd]Ron, I’d like to contribute to the conversation. But before I do, can you please clarify your question? Are you asking why catholics believe sacraments gives us grace?

~Victor[/quote:21d8o1rd]
Hello Victor,
Basically I’m asking why – If you deny tihe saving value of Jesus’s finished work at calvary and yet you claim that we recieve graces through sacraments, (dispite Romans 11:6 – work OR grace – it cannot be both)
where or upon what do you base sacraments as having been established for that purpose?

Ron