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[quote:14ybo8mc]I think my rock bottom belief is that ALL Christianity is founded on Tradition and Scripture, not just Catholicism.[/quote:14ybo8mc]

Not sure if I quite understand this. But this is what I understood. If we as Catholics or you for that matter believe that truth is found in Tradition and Scripture, how can I or anybody know what it is unless it’s fully contained in one entity?
Tradition and Scripture both flow from the Body. The Body being the Church. If there is no Body for us to go to, it is left to our own subjective faculties. Please correct me if I misunderstood you.

[quote:14ybo8mc]I think that this goes into the — am I correct here? Manichaeism? I think that’s correct — the fear of the physical, the view that material things are inherently evil and spiritual things good. You and I touched on this on another question, I believe. [/quote:14ybo8mc]

I was unsure if you personally held this. I think I was merely commenting on how I had this as a protestant. Do you see this as being true in your community?

[quote:14ybo8mc]Again, this is an either/or that should be a both/and. God used fallible man to record the Infallible word. Just like God used mortal Mary to bring Immortal Word to us. I’m not confused by contradictions, and feel that the hypothetical (or real?) atheist debating validity of scripture based on his assumption that true scripture should contain no possibility for errors of transmission or translation of idiom is actually proving the case of the believer, but that’s the difficulty you face if you try to prove a negative.

Plenty of others have pointed out other errors, from the silly to the sublime — hare chewing it’s cud (I forget where that is referenced, likely in the dietary instructions) which it doesn’t, Paul’s conversion and who heard what (that’s a good one — a contradiction in the same book!). [/quote:14ybo8mc]

I hope you didn’t get the impression that I am trying to weaken your faith in the scriptures or anything like that? Not my intention at all. Although I may have not been as formed in my faith in relation to accepting biblical contradictions as you. I did struggle with Biblical contradictions.

[quote:14ybo8mc]It’s like this — I have plenty of arguments against Catholicism. I can debate you all day about Mary and prayer to saints and the eucharist, etc., but it doesn’t change the fact that I keep running into help and direction from Catholic sources that seem to be written just for me. That’s why I keep hanging around these sites — In the same way, if I want to find a reason not to believe the word of God, I can find it. But it doesn’t change the fact that I am in need of what I read there, and that it impacts my life greatly. I don’t have to believe that Jonah actually got swallowed by a great fish, or had a run in with a plant that gave mixed signals to get the point of the tale.

Sorry if this is a bit disordered or poorly expressed, but I’m at work again, being a state employee let loose on the computer![/quote:14ybo8mc]

I understand. Kinda makes me think that perhaps it was never intended that defining truth be left to the flock.