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"Yarelis":15t5rjyl wrote:
[quote:15t5rjyl]Hello rmn…. Im new to this chat aswell =). After the basic understanding and what I saw from attending catholic churches I decided to focuse my worship through christian churches… Ive recently started to study more of the catholic church and by doing so makes me even more proud of what I stand for.[/quote:15t5rjyl]
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Hello Yarelis,
Please study what the RCC teaches and not what anti Catholics teach you about it. You want to know? Get it from the source then decide what to believe. the original poster is asking for truthful information, you have not backed one item with any references to actual Catholic teaching, i.e. show us where we say that! I’d love to see it!

Yes Peter was in Rome, In fact they have found He’s tomb 300 feet underneath the High Altar at the Basilica In Rome, thanks to Modern archeology the dig began in the 1940’s and it wasn’t found til the early 1960’s.

Here is sound archeological evidence:

http://saintpetersbasilica.org/Necropolis/JW/TheBonesofStPeter-5.htm

Don’t believe in the office of One Man in Authority over the whole community?

Let me show you what your pastor won’t, a biblical precedent for the office of the Head Shepherd:
From the good ole KJV,

Num 27:15-17 And [b:15t5rjyl]Moses spake unto the LORD, saying,
Let the LORD, the God of the spirits of all flesh, set a man over the congregation,
Which may go out before them, and which may go in before them, and which may lead them out, and which may bring them in; that the congregation of the LORD be not as sheep which have no shepherd…

Num 27:22-23 And Moses did as the LORD commanded him: and he took Joshua, and set him before Eleazar the priest, and before all the congregation:
And he laid his hands upon him, and gave him a charge, as the LORD commanded by the hand of Moses.

Is Jesus Divine? Yes.. The LORD does exactly what He has done with the Chosen people with the believers of the incarnate Christ… He gives Charge to ONE MAN that is to Peter not once not twice but 3x in John alone, “Feed my lambs, tend my sheep, feed my sheep” (Jhn 21:11- 19, Peter is told by Christ even his death will glorify the LORD.

Biblically # 3 is a number of totality! Here’s a forth time!

Mat 16:18 And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it.
19 [b:15t5rjyl]I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”

We don’t even have to discuss ‘this rock’ because Protestants state jesus is pointing to himself? Is that explicit in Scripture? No, But the Apostles witness this themselves and pas down what they have received in the rabbinical oral teaching Tradition.

Christ does give Peter the keys, which in Jewish Culture, the head Steward is given in the Absence of the Master!

here’s a fifth time:

As far as the laying on of hands to Peter and the Apostles:

jhn 20:19, “Jesus came and stood among them and said to them, “Peace be with you.”

Jhn 20:20-23 When he had said this, he showed them his hands and his side. Then the disciples were glad when they saw the Lord.
Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I send you.”

And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit.
If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.”

The Apostles receive the Holy Spirit in a very special way, before the Pentecost, They are made men, by receiving the actual breath of God, This was taught in the Early Church that this Commission was a ontological Change in their being.

Yarelis,
“First off: The only difference between the holy bible and a catholic bible is that the catholic bible contains extra stories in the old testament. From what [b:15t5rjyl]I learned somewhere along the line of Protestatism decided that theyd keep the same new testament but the shorter hebrew version of the old testament.. regardless the new testament is the most important anyways.
The Catholic Bible Canon exists 1000 yrs even before the Reformation,
It is the Protestants who discard particular books to be able to disprove RCC teachings, and then Cry ‘Sola Scriptura’ Wow, first they cut out important Historical teachings and limit how to prove where and how these teachings came about! [It’s like giving someone driving lessons with a car with no engine at all}
The Septuagint was used by the Greek speaking jews in Jesus day and since 200 b.c. Paul quotes from it some twenty times, Jesus never stated the extra books other than the torah were of no importance.
Appox 125 a.d. the Hebrews decided to remove Books they were using because the Catholic Church was using the same Scriptures to prove Christ as messiah, they decided to use only the Books prior to 350 b.c. which they believed were the only Hebrew Scriptures, however Qumran, showed that several Books left out actually were written in the Hebrew, Sirach was at least one of them.

Basically to refute Catholic Teachings the protestants did not use The Deutorocannoicals (Apocrypha) the was a bible in German before Luther, however Luther retranslated his own German Bible, he wanted to throw the ‘Book of James’ out, because it disproved his theology of faith alone, he wanted to leave Hebrews out, because no one knows who wrote the Scripture no apostolic root. But he did leave the apocrypha in the back of his bible and siad it wasn’t Sacred Scripture but useful for inspiration. Do you want to know who actuallly left the ‘extra books’ Out??? It was the printers of the Protestant Bible! Yes, the secular world decided if the Books did not need to be in the Bible, they could print smaller bibles, cheaper. that’s not of God that’s man seeking profit!! The original KJV had included the Apocrypha!!!!

Yarelis,
Another difference is the ten commandments.
Catholic
1. I, the Lord, am your God. You shall not have other gods besides me.

Christian:

1.You shall have no other gods before me.

2.You shall not make for yourself any carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above,[/b:15t5rjyl] or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

the Ten Commandments as changed by the Roman Catholic Church. They believe that their authority stands above the Word of God and that they can change God’s times and laws and God will prescribe to their changes. You will note that they deleted the second Commandment and changed God’s Sabbath to Sunday and split the tenth Commandment into two to get back to Ten Commandments.
You’ve quoted the Commands given to the Israelites in the Exodus, the Protestant 2nd Commandment simply says:
“You shall not make unto you any graven images.”

That was before Christ, In Christ’s Incarnation we have a physical image of the Heavenly Father, Son and Holy Spirit, witnessed by the apostles, The Catholic Church, the Martyrs. We could not even use the Cross if what you state is true!!

As far as kneeling and praying God used the image of the Brass serpent, Num 21:9 So Moses made a bronze serpent, and set it on a pole; and if a serpent bit any man, he would look at the bronze serpent and live.

There were images of creation and the heavens in the Temple built by Solomon,

Graven Image: a carved idol or representation of a god used as an object of worship.

The Israelites sin in the desert, with the Golden Calf, was an image of Worship to represent the Power of God.

In the Catholic church there is only one word in the latin to describe Worship of God and two words to describe honor and veneration of people who have lived an exemplary Life in Christ or to honor and venerate authorities here on earth.

Lattria: Capital ‘W’ Worship due God and God alone!!

Dulia; Honor and veneration of our fellow men, or judges, kings, presidents.. i.e. back in the day men would call others out of resect, ‘yor lodrship, your worship”

Hyper dulia: honor due Mary, beneath the worship of God, but above all men out ofespect for her yes, and total faith in God’s will.

Prayer is not Worship It is petition!! “I pray thee” is used over 194 times biblically not in Worship but petition example, Gen 24: 12, 14, 17,43, 45 five times in Gen 24 alone!

Nobody in the right state of mind believes Catholics are worshipping
statues, idols by kneeling in front of them and praying.

If your kneeling and praying with your bible in your midst do we accuse you of Worshipping a Book??

The church of rome was already flourished when paul wrote to Corinth. He greets people in Rome by name in romans 16 but not Peter which he knew. Strange right?

Remember Paul is a late comer to the Church, he persecuted it for some 15 yrs.

Yarelis, “Irenaeus writings were formative of christian theology. He listened to Polycarp who was a deciple of John the evangelist. Polycarp was a 2nd century bishop burned at the stake then stabbed when the fire failed to touch him. Anyways the other point is that Peter saw himself as a apostle of the Jews while Paul was the apostle of the gentiles. Therefore peter never saw a reason to go to rome since he saw his calling to be witness to the people of jeruselm and jews in surrounding areas. so rome would have been for paul
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Where is this in Scripture? What history are you reading?

Whew, you’ve failed to list Ignatius, [who tradition says was the Child upon Jesus’ knee, Matt 18:2, Luke 9:48] But the historical fact is ca. 35 – 117 was among the Apostolic Fathers, was the third Bishop of Antioch, and was a student of John the Apostle

St. Ignatius was Bishop of Antioch after Saint Peter and St. Evodius (who died around AD 67). Eusebius records that St. Ignatius succeeded St. Evodius. Making his apostolic succession even more immediate, Theodoret (Dial. Immutab., I, iv, 33a) reported that Peter himself appointed Ignatius to the see of Antioch.

It is Ignatius who first uses the Term The Catholic Church in 110 a.d. in writing!

Paul an Apostle empowers Timothy, as Bishop. that’s succession!

2Ti 1:6 Hence I remind you to rekindle the gift of God that is within you through the laying on of my hands;

Hbr 6:1 Therefore let us leave the elementary doctrine of Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God,
Hbr 6:2 with instruction about ablutions, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment.

And let us not forget even before Paul converts

Act 8:18 Now when Simon saw that the Spirit was given through the laying on of the apostles’ hands,

Thass biblical!!!

So after all this slowly There became a seperation and therefore chirstianity began to grow.. i wont go into furthur detail for their is alot of info on that but you can search that up youself.
whew??? Now you rewritten Historical fact! How can you figure this?? Jesus a Church to be guided by the holy Spirit til his return and it dissipates in a 100 yrs… the gates of hell cannot prevail against it!

“The Pope is not only the representative of Jesus Christ, but he is Jesus Christ, Himself, hidden under the veil of human flesh.” — Catholic National, July 1895. ” Show me this Reference !!! Where can I read this?? That is not of the Roman Catholic Church! And it is an outright false statement! It’s gossip, at best. The bible says we are responsible for every lie we utter.

Show me this in the RCC? One of the faults ‘anti-catholics’ have is to rely on a Book written by Lorraine Boettner called ‘Roman Catholism”

Roman Catholicism (1962) revised ed. (1966) ISBN 978-0-85151-082-8

If you can find a copy of this, which I had some 11 yrs. ago you will not find any viable references of his statements about the R.C. Church, in fact some of the references he does use are erroneous, not true.

same as I see for your ‘Catholic National’ SHOW ME A ROAMAN CATHOLIC Bishop, or dioceses that produced this so called document!
and if you cannot, then keep it to yourself.

The CCC

#882 The Pope, Bishop of Rome and Peter’s successor, “is the perpetual and visible source and foundation of the unity both of the bishops and of the whole company of the faithful.” “For the Roman Pontiff, by reason of his office as Vicar of Christ, and as pastor of the entire Church has full, supreme, and universal power over the whole Church, a power which he can always exercise unhindered.”

definition of Vicar:
vicar |ˈvikər|
noun
(in the Roman Catholic Church) a representative or deputy of a bishop.
• (in the Episcopal Church) a member of the clergy in charge of a chapel.
• (in the Church of England) an incumbent of a parish where tithes formerly passed to a chapter or religious house or layman.
• (in other Anglican Churches) a member of the clergy deputizing for another.
• a cleric or choir member appointed to sing certain parts of a cathedral service.
Yarelis,
This was something that was said in the catholic national… the reason i put this is because the catholic church swears they have a authority to create rules and regulations apart from the scripture.

Let me show you what your Pastor won’t, because obviously you do not read the Bible, you only believe anything anti-catholic!

The Bible says it is the Church which is the Pillar and Bulwark of truth!
AND that the Church reveals the full manifold of Christ’s teachings:

1Ti 3:14- 15 I hope to come to you soon, but I am writing these instructions to you so that,
if I am delayed, you may know how one ought to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth.

Eph 3:10 that through the church the manifold wisdom of God might now be made known to the principalities and powers in the heavenly places.
Eph 3:11 This was according to the eternal purpose which he has realized in Christ Jesus our Lord,

Yarelis, A theory say that their is chage to the inner although their is external evidence to the contrary. Scientist ruled this theory out but catholic decided to keep it. so this bread now is the body of christ and is worshiped and eaten. A priest said that this tradition is infact the sacrafice of jesus on the calvary .. not a serperate one from what he did on the cross but the same one.
Transubstantiation is a philosophical term used to explain what Christ and the Apostles taught. Nobody challenged this Church teaching for 1000 yrs. since Christ, and then in 1100 a.d in the West the question ws brought as to what does thew Church mean in the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist. Until St. Thomas Aquinas, developed tht term,it was and still is a mystery of God.

When God said, “let there be light’ it happened
” ” let the earth bring forth all kinds of creatures” it happened!!!When God said it happened!!!

Jesus held the bread and said, “THIS I MY BODY” it become His Body!
when jesus said, “This is my blood of the New Covenant” It became His Blood… and still does through Him through His Priests!

You have no basic Understanding of RCC teachings, nor of any Church history. Please do read what the Roman Catholic Church actually does teach!

“If you believe what you like in the gospels,
and reject what you don’t like, it is not the gospel you believe but yourself.” St. Augustine
All warfare is based on deception!

The Opponent is wise: Whenever He can, He makes use of the easiest and most effective of his weapons: Gossip.

It doesn’t take much effort to use it, because others do the work for him. A few miss-directed words can destroy months of dedication, years spent in search of Harmony. The Warrior of Light is often a victim of this trick, he doesn’t know where this blow came from, and cannot prove the gossip is false. Gossip does not allow him the right to defend himself, it condemns without trial.

God Bless,
John